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To sum up the issues around fat....
1) The need for essential fats can be meet through whole natural foods without adding any concentrated sources.
2) Unsaturated fats are less harmful than saturated fats.
3) Hydrogenated Fats and Trans fats are probably the worst fats.
4) Substituting saturated fat with unsaturated fats, without adding additional calories, may lower cholesterol levels and the risk for CVD and some cancers and possible DB. This is an "improvement", not an ideal recommendation and is a result of the "substitution" and not the "addition".
5) Substituting refined carbohydrates and/or sugar with unsaturated fats without adding additional calories may lower risk for CVD, DB and some cancers. This is an "improvement", not an ideal recommendation and a result of the "substitution" and not the "addition".
6) there is absolutely no evidence than adding either saturated fats, or
unsaturated fats to an otherwise optimal diet will improve the diet.
7) the Med diet was healthy not because of the olive oil, but in spite of
the olive oil. If the olive oil added any benefit, it was because of
some phytonutrients in the olive oil, and not any specific fat or fatty
acid.
8 ) Oils rich in PUFAs are more unstable than oils rich in MUFA and have been shown to increase growth rate (but not initiate) of some cancers in animals and possibly in humans, especially those which are high in Omega 6s.
9) I have never seen any conclusive evidence putting sat fat in a "healthy" light. Maybe my light needs new bulbs.
10) Focus your diet on and consume a variety of healthy unrefined unprocessed fresh fruit, veggies, starchy veggies, whole grains and legumes.
Jaggu wrote:what is the basis for concluding this way of eating to be the best?
Jaggu wrote:As you pointed several times that there are no true low fat whole food plant based diet studies.
One thing I agree with you from my own experience is that it may not be that easy for most people to stay on true McDougall diet unless you are determined etc. It's not going to happen just like that, you have to make some concentrated efforts at least in the beginning.
f1jim wrote:
We here are an anomoly. The average American IS pouring on the oil. It is everywhere and put in most everything we eat. That is a historical blip we need to see and get over. We also tend to hang on to our oil habits and it's one of the last things reported to go as we move to a fully McDougall diet. It's amazing the reports I hear of from those finally giving up the added oils. I remember John Mackey at one of the Advanced Study Weekends mentioning how he lost 10lbs very quickly after giving up added oils. The data on added oils is pretty clear. Avoiding it pays dividends. No matter our attachment to it. I know this issue has stuck with you for a long time. All I can say is try it the McDougall way and see what happens. No need to have blinders on this plan. The data is on our side!
f1jim
Jaggu wrote:When we discuss specific issues here, where does what average american does comes into picture?
Jaggu wrote:You may not but some of us will continue to be puzzeled by paradoxes such as below
The East African paradox refers to the Masai tribes in Kenya, Africa. Their diets consist of full fat milk and cream, large amounts of beef, and blood from their cattle during dry season. The average daily caloric intake was estimated to be about 3,000 kcal, with 66% of the calories derived from fat. The estimated average daily cholesterol intake was from 600 to 2,000 mg per person. When Western doctors examined the Masai, they found that their blood cholesterol levels were extremely low, and autopsies of deceased Masai found almost no evidence of arterial plaques.
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