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f00die wrote:https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2015nl/oct/breastcancer.pdf
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GeoffreyLevens wrote:Standare medical terminology uses 5 year survival as "cure", sometimes 10 year survival. Doctor was using that and not really thinking/communicating clearly. Sometimes it does not come back, sometimes it does. I don't think anyone knows why other than that the reasons are a complex of genetics, epigenetics, diet/environment, mental/emotional inner climate, etc. In short, the terrain is the key determining factor. So all anyone can do is optimize their terrain by eating as perfectly as they can without going off the rails, and avoiding as much as possible, outer enviro toxins, and getting current on emotional work and stress management.
patty wrote:I too, have heard women mention breast cancer the 5 year rule. That is great you are having this conversation about the female body with your neighbor. Cancer is such a fear motivation word. I forget what video of Dr McDougall's it was where he said he said you can out live the cancer. I think it was in reference of prostate cancer. This is a excellent video how the word cancer is used in hysterectomies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbXMEjasI5E Hear is a excellent video about the female anatomy: https://www.hersfoundation.org/female-anatomy/ Keep questioning!!!
Aloha, patty
f00die wrote:cancer is an evolutionary process (one of many)
tumors are a heterogeneous mix of mutated cells
some of these cells are viable in other areas of the body
i.e. they have metastatic potential
some are not
when a tumor is found, it is not known
if that particular one is the original tumor
or just the first one found
thus when they treat it, they have to
observe to see if "the cancer comes back" (mets)
i.e. they find other tumors or a recurrence
id guess by saying ur neighbor is cured
they mean they havent found other tumors
and that enough time has passed
without discovery of new tumors
gracezw wrote:Thank you, Patty, for your encouragement! I am curious how people I know handle things that I don't need to worry about.patty wrote:I too, have heard women mention breast cancer the 5 year rule. That is great you are having this conversation about the female body with your neighbor. Cancer is such a fear motivation word. I forget what video of Dr McDougall's it was where he said he said you can out live the cancer. I think it was in reference of prostate cancer. This is a excellent video how the word cancer is used in hysterectomies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbXMEjasI5E Hear is a excellent video about the female anatomy: https://www.hersfoundation.org/female-anatomy/ Keep questioning!!!
Aloha, patty
I've done research in this area as well as clinical testing on patients. Looking at the genetic changes, including mutations in the tumor cells, we can determine if the "new" breast cancer tumor is the original tumor growing back or if it's a new tumor. Sometimes it's more complicated than that - we've had patients who returned with a second tumor in the breast only to discover that it was metastatic tumors from other cancer sites in the body. Prior to molecular testing the assumption would be that the breast cancer had returned. This has important implications for treatment decisions.gracezw wrote:Thank you Geoff!
If her breast cancer comes back after 5 years, would her doctor consider it as a new form of breast cancer after the old form of it was cured?
Vegankit wrote:I've done research in this area as well as clinical testing on patients. Looking at the genetic changes, including mutations in the tumor cells, we can determine if the "new" breast cancer tumor is the original tumor growing back or if it's a new tumor. Sometimes it's more complicated than that - we've had patients who returned with a second tumor in the breast only to discover that it was metastatic tumors from other cancer sites in the body. Prior to molecular testing the assumption would be that the breast cancer had returned. This has important implications for treatment decisions.gracezw wrote:Thank you Geoff!
If her breast cancer comes back after 5 years, would her doctor consider it as a new form of breast cancer after the old form of it was cured?
gracezw wrote:Thank you Geoff!
If her breast cancer comes back after 5 years, would her doctor consider it as a new form of breast cancer after the old form of it was cured?
GeoffreyLevens wrote:
That I do not know. Sometimes they check the cancer cells genetics or something to see if same cell line and new vs recurrance based on that I think. But I really don't know. Never really cared enough to find out because I think the whole approach is so wrong headed.
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