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The lawsuits over polio took an extraordinary turn one year ago when a Kansas jury awarded $2 million in actual damages and $8 million in punitive damages to an Ottawa, Kan., farmer who contracted polio after the immunization of his daughter in 1975. Emil Johnson, now 64, almost died from the polio that has left his breathing permanently impaired.
"It was clear the (vaccine) company was aware of the risks and didn't warn the doctors," said Johnson's lawyer, Gerald L. Michaud of Wichita. "When a jury understands this, that they were at risk and it could happen to them . . . "
In 1982, both Lea Thompson of WRC-TV in Washington, D.C., and talk-show host Phil Donahue prepared special reports on the dangers of the pertussis vaccine. Within three months of both shows, doctors throughout the country began to report more cases than ever of whooping cough, and the public health departments nationwide began to issue circulars warning of the coming whooping cough epidemic. The American Association of Pediatrics warned that 14,000 children might die from pertussis that year because of the epidemic, although that figure was eventually discarded based on the Centers for Disease Control's less dramatic figure of 400. But was there really an epidemic brewing at all?
Probably not. Although the actual number of pertussis cases does eventually rise when people stop vaccinating their children—this result is obvious in several countries where the pertussis vaccine is no longer required—there are several reasons why even those epidemics may not be all that problematic.
Evidence shows that the number of whooping cough cases rises with decreased vaccination coverage but that it has become an increasingly mild disease, particularly in developed countries where both sanitation and nutrition have improved. In several European countries, although the number of pertussis cases has risen since compulsory vaccination was abandoned, the number of deaths attributed to the disease has dropped. Some suggest that this increasing mildness could be the result of people's naturally enhanced resistance after being exposed to the disease for so many years. The development of antibiotics during this century also has helped to ward off both secondary complications of pertussis—including pneumonia, which can lead to death—and the chance of the disease spreading to other people. In Great Britain, even though the incidence of natural pertussis rose after the drop in vaccine coverage, claims for compensation to the National Health Service virtually halted, indicating that decreased vaccination resulted in a decreased number of neurological damage attributed to the vaccine.
bbq wrote:Both polio vaccines were such a mess and a half, of course we could feel free to ignore or deny that:
http://articles.latimes.com/1985-06-01/news/mn-5328_1_oral-polio-vaccine/3The lawsuits over polio took an extraordinary turn one year ago when a Kansas jury awarded $2 million in actual damages and $8 million in punitive damages to an Ottawa, Kan., farmer who contracted polio after the immunization of his daughter in 1975. Emil Johnson, now 64, almost died from the polio that has left his breathing permanently impaired.
"It was clear the (vaccine) company was aware of the risks and didn't warn the doctors," said Johnson's lawyer, Gerald L. Michaud of Wichita. "When a jury understands this, that they were at risk and it could happen to them . . . "
katgirl55 wrote:Personally I do not think the government is that organized or capable of pulling off such a conspiracy.
0:37 a lot of milk, were all vaccinated. My child was always healthy, runny nose free,
0:44 always very, very healthy and smart. If I can digress a little bit this was 1990 so
0:51 the internet wasn't really available. I had read numerous books on vaccines and like most
0:56 people I grew up believing in vaccines from what I was told in school. It became a real
1:01 shock to me when I started reading and learning that vaccines were not only ineffective but
1:08 also there are major risk involved with vaccination. When I found out my wife was pregnant I had
1:16 a discussion with her about not vaccinating and of course she was pro-vaccine and so I
1:22 made her a deal. At the time I worked for a very large pharmaceutical
1:25 company as a sales rep and so I made her a promise I said I'll go to the library I'll
1:31 bring home everything I can find pro-vaccine and anti-vaccine. You can read for yourself
1:37 and then you can make a decision. That's what I did. I went and scoured the periodicals
1:43 in the libraries. I actually found a very small stack of information that was pro-vaccine
1:50 and yet I came home with boxes full of books and articles that were anti-vaccine. I just
1:56 gave them to her and let her make up her own mind.
1:59 I would come home from work and she would be reading the stuff and crying from what
2:04 she was reading. By the time our child was born we were both on the same page about vaccination
2:13 and it was interesting because I had my OBGYN or my wife's OBGYN sit me down in his office
2:20 and say, "Look, you work for a large pharmaceutical company, what do you mean you're not vaccinating?"
2:25 My company actually made a lot of the vaccines and we had a vaccine division and everything
2:30 else and I told them I told them flat out why we went, had a huge discussion about it.
2:37 He didn't agree. We still went to the course that I wanted.
2:41 During a training session with Merck they brought in their corporate attorneys and I
2:46 just happen to ask a question where do most of our lawsuits come from and how large are
2:51 they and so on and one of the attorneys said flat out that most and almost all of our lawsuits
2:59 come from the vaccine division. What I'd like to say to people watching this video is to
3:04 really do your own research, all right? If you're on the fence about vaccines are wondering
3:08 at all, whether to vaccinate your child. Please, please do your own research. There
3:15 are a ton of resources available out there.
0:03 My first involvement with the pharmaceutical industry was as a pharmaceutical sales rep
0:07 for Merck back when Vioxx was on the market. I used to rep Vioxx for Merck. When it came
0:17 out that Merck had falsified safety data and Vioxx actually had twice the increase in heart
0:23 attacks and strokes, people taking it, it really made me realize that that there was
0:29 a lot of corruption behind the scenes and that just because something is on the market,
0:34 a drug is on the market, doesn't mean it's safe.
0:38 After working for Merck, I was pretty disillusioned over the whole scandal. I lived in Europe
0:43 for eight years and I had my son over there. I brought him back vaccine-free at six months
0:52 to San Francisco. When I went to a well visit they pushed for vaccines. At that point I
0:58 hadn't done a lot of research in it but I knew enough not to trust pharmaceutical drugs.
1:04 I asked to see a vaccine insert and the doctor got very upset at me and claimed I didn't
1:10 trust him. He stormed out of the room and the nurse let me know that I wasn't really
1:16 welcome back in that clinic anymore. That was a huge red flag for me knowing what I
1:22 knew from being a pharmaceutical sales rep before.
https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2009nl/sep/hated.htmDoctors Practice Faith-based Medicine
Doctors believe that what they are doing is beneficial even in the face of clinical and research evidence to the contrary. Visit after visit, their patients with chronic diseases remain fat and sick. The only objective difference from all their hard work and good intentions is that their patients are now carrying around a big bag full of drugs.
http://www.lifestyle.org/article/111/guide-to-optimum-health-forks-over-knives00:03:01 JM: Well, but it's a commentary for almost every general doctor.
00:03:04 You don't understand this, that every family practitioner, GP, internist, and I could go on to some other specialists, they're in the same situation.
00:03:12 They have tools that don't work.
00:03:15 And so we went to school to help people, to make their lives better, and we're given all these pills and some of the surgeries, for chronic disease.
00:03:23 I have to classify that as chronic disease.
00:03:25 Acute problems like if you break something, get in an accident, those kinds of things, we really do a good job with.
00:03:30 But when it comes to chronic illness, we're given these treatments that don't work.
00:03:34 And so you're asked to feel good about yourself as a doctor when you're passing out remedies that have no obvious benefit.
00:03:42 We call that faith-based medicine.
00:03:45 You have to believe that it works because you can't see any evidence that it's working.
00:03:50 (laughter) Honest, I'm not kidding!
00:03:52 GT: We're not talking faith in God here, we're just saying...
00:03:54 JM: Faith-based medicine.
00:03:55 MT: It must work, I'm sure.
00:03:57 JM: The doctors have to believe in it, because the studies say it doesn't work.
00:04:01 The patients have to believe in the doctors, because they see no results in themselves.
00:04:05 It's faith-based medicine.
00:04:06 And every once in a while, doctors like Dr. Lederman and Dr. Pulde say, I've got eyes.
00:04:12 I can see the patients aren't getting any better.
00:04:14 They're still fat and sick.
00:04:15 Something's wrong.
awest27 wrote:People always point to the polio vaccine as a triumph for vaccines. Yet last year, several children were left paralyzed from a virus in the polio class. It was only after the vaccine that the definition of polio was limited to that which was covered by the vaccine. Before that anyone paralyzed from the general class of virus was a victim of polio. Every year there are people being paralyzed while the pro-vaxxers claim that polio was eliminated.
[/quote]bbq wrote:More conspiracy from this former Merck sales rep, I'm sure it's just nothing more than a revenge or retaliation of some sort:
http://youtu.be/7YVPkCQxqz40:37 a lot of milk, were all vaccinated. My child was always healthy, runny nose free,
0:44 always very, very healthy and smart. If I can digress a little bit this was 1990 so
0:51 the internet wasn't really available. I had read numerous books on vaccines and like most
0:56 people I grew up believing in vaccines from what I was told in school. It became a real
1:01 shock to me when I started reading and learning that vaccines were not only ineffective but
1:08 also there are major risk involved with vaccination. When I found out my wife was pregnant I had
1:16 a discussion with her about not vaccinating and of course she was pro-vaccine and so I
1:22 made her a deal. At the time I worked for a very large pharmaceutical
1:25 company as a sales rep and so I made her a promise I said I'll go to the library I'll
1:31 bring home everything I can find pro-vaccine and anti-vaccine. You can read for yourself
1:37 and then you can make a decision. That's what I did. I went and scoured the periodicals
1:43 in the libraries. I actually found a very small stack of information that was pro-vaccine
1:50 and yet I came home with boxes full of books and articles that were anti-vaccine. I just
1:56 gave them to her and let her make up her own mind.
1:59 I would come home from work and she would be reading the stuff and crying from what
2:04 she was reading. By the time our child was born we were both on the same page about vaccination
2:13 and it was interesting because I had my OBGYN or my wife's OBGYN sit me down in his office
2:20 and say, "Look, you work for a large pharmaceutical company, what do you mean you're not vaccinating?"
2:25 My company actually made a lot of the vaccines and we had a vaccine division and everything
2:30 else and I told them I told them flat out why we went, had a huge discussion about it.
2:37 He didn't agree. We still went to the course that I wanted.
2:41 During a training session with Merck they brought in their corporate attorneys and I
2:46 just happen to ask a question where do most of our lawsuits come from and how large are
2:51 they and so on and one of the attorneys said flat out that most and almost all of our lawsuits
2:59 come from the vaccine division. What I'd like to say to people watching this video is to
3:04 really do your own research, all right? If you're on the fence about vaccines are wondering
3:08 at all, whether to vaccinate your child. Please, please do your own research. There
3:15 are a ton of resources available out there.
And then even more quackery from this former Merck sales rep:
0:38 After working for Merck, I was pretty disillusioned over the whole scandal. I lived in Europe
0:43 for eight years and I had my son over there. I brought him back vaccine-free at six months
0:52 to San Francisco. When I went to a well visit they pushed for vaccines. At that point I
0:58 hadn't done a lot of research in it but I knew enough not to trust pharmaceutical drugs.
1:04 I asked to see a vaccine insert and the doctor got very upset at me and claimed I didn't
1:10 trust him. He stormed out of the room and the nurse let me know that I wasn't really
1:16 welcome back in that clinic anymore. That was a huge red flag for me knowing what I
1:22 knew from being a pharmaceutical sales rep before.
Mighty interesting quote as usual — "I asked to see a vaccine insert and the doctor got very upset at me and claimed I didn't trust him?" That kinda rang a bell and IMHO it's somewhat similar to stuff like this:
What in the world was Dr. McDougall thinking when he made this 2 minute video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuadrCoPH5Y
wade4veg wrote:
What in the world was Dr. McDougall thinking when he made this 2 minute video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuadrCoPH5Y
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