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BarbG wrote:I've been thinking about the area of difference between Dr. F and Dr. M. While they both advocate vegan diets, Dr. M's is starch-based with the addition of fruit & vegetables, and Dr. F's is greens-based with the addition of beans (1/2 cup daily), fruit (3 daily), mushrooms / onions (one or the other daily), nuts and seeds. The vegan part is the same, but from there it seems there's a good bit of divergence. Dr. M's recommendations are broad, encompassing all plant foods, while Dr. F's are very specific (micronutrients and phytochemicals). I found Dr. F's angle interesting, and appreciated hearing it.
Jack19 wrote:BarbG wrote:I've been thinking about the area of difference between Dr. F and Dr. M. While they both advocate vegan diets, Dr. M's is starch-based with the addition of fruit & vegetables, and Dr. F's is greens-based with the addition of beans (1/2 cup daily), fruit (3 daily), mushrooms / onions (one or the other daily), nuts and seeds. The vegan part is the same, but from there it seems there's a good bit of divergence. Dr. M's recommendations are broad, encompassing all plant foods, while Dr. F's are very specific (micronutrients and phytochemicals). I found Dr. F's angle interesting, and appreciated hearing it.
Greens based with 1/2 cup of beans?! Does it not bother you that if Average Joe, overweight and sick on the SMD, was to stumble across the idea that a plant based diet would bring about weight loss AND actually eliminate all of his ailments AND be so much kinder to the world's resources, that he would suffer needless hunger while on Fuhrman's plan and that it would therefore only be a matter of time before he went back to his normal meat and dairy eating ways? I've lost weight by eating as much oatmeal, potatoes, barley, brown rice as I can manage, the only condition I set myself is that I match these vast quantities of starch with equal quantities of vegetables almost every step of the way. I am still losing even though my original target weight was passed an entire fifteen/sixteen pounds ago. To me, Fuhrman's regime requires far too much stoicism than is necessary.
LauraA wrote:I will say this, I've never seen Dr F before, and he does look very healthy and fit! Take care, LauraA
f1jim wrote:Well, the first night is in the books and first and formost I want to acknowledge the forum members I have run into already. I got the pleasure of meeting our own Frozenveg and her husband, here all the way from Palmer, Alaska. Cloudy is vibrant and fun and she looks even better than the pics we have seen here on the boards. Also here is Vanilla Orchid and her hubby from my hometown of Pacifica. We also ran into LyndaK from Petaluma. There are several Star McDougallers here and we will get some reunion time with them.
Dr. McDougall kicked the event off with a recap of the last newslettera since the September ASW. The buzz was pretty thick when Paula Deen came up. We are all waiting to see if she takes him up on his offer to come to one of the 10 day programs.
Dr. Welch was an excellent speaker. Entertaining and humorous even when discussing a not so humorous topic. Overdiagnosis and overtreatment are big news now in the medical world and his message is very timely. He brings life to what is essentially an actuarial subject. We will hear more from him tomorrow.
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Jack19 wrote:BarbG wrote:I've been thinking about the area of difference between Dr. F and Dr. M. While they both advocate vegan diets, Dr. M's is starch-based with the addition of fruit & vegetables, and Dr. F's is greens-based with the addition of beans (1/2 cup daily), fruit (3 daily), mushrooms / onions (one or the other daily), nuts and seeds. The vegan part is the same, but from there it seems there's a good bit of divergence. Dr. M's recommendations are broad, encompassing all plant foods, while Dr. F's are very specific (micronutrients and phytochemicals). I found Dr. F's angle interesting, and appreciated hearing it.
Greens based with 1/2 cup of beans?!
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