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didi wrote: But if you are committed to some sort of fat free plant based whole foods diet, then does it matter if you are satisfied with vegies or starches or some combination that suits you? Both doctors as well as Esselstyn are wildly successful at getting people thinner and healthier.
Didi
I think this mischaracterizes both of doctors. They both specialize in getting and staying healthy and overcoming all the chronic, degenerative diseases of modern society. They both talk quite a bit about obesity because it is the one, visible, obvious symptom of SAD and is very very common. Speaking about obesity is an excellent way to reach the most people, to get their attention and get them interested.McDougall is an obesity specialist. Fuhrman is a "catch-up" specialist
cbs wrote:Dr furhman is like 811 with some cooked veggies and beans. he promotes i believe 1-2 ounces of nuts/seeds a day. i think that is fine for some but too much for many people here who need to and are trying to lose weight. in grains and vegetables if eaten sufficiently, there are EFAs that these arent necessary. in fruit they are low in EFAs so he has a point including them if you arent eating starches.
you can eat a lot of fruit on that diet which is why some 811ers go to that. but if you try to fill yourself up on fruit sugar and low calorie vegetables, you will constantly fight hunger and obsess over food. a lot of people then binge on SAD foods i notice. so fruits and vegetables mostly alone isnt sustainable from my point of view long term. ever since i started eating potatoes, i could finally be satisfied without stomach pain, severe bloating and spending a lot of money on food. in 811 the people are always stuffing themselves to cut cravings and will spend $100 or more a week on food. i'm sure furhman followers must spend about as much. with starch you dont have to and i feel better, more energy and life is easier now. but i think furhman and mcdougall are more alike then different. i actually feel better now having some lentils in my diet. but i think furhman is too much into supplements and excess and mcdougall is proven through time. i like this way of eating!
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