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GeoffreyLevens wrote:Interestingly, nutrient density and calorie density overlap to a very large degree! If you look at foods in general, almost across the board, the lower the calorie density, the higher the nutrient density and vis versa. There are small variations within that arc, but overall, the lowest cal/highest nutrient contents are the non starchy veg and fruits, then the starchy veg, next come the grains and beans, finally the seeds and nuts. The highest calorie/lowest nutrients come from animal sourced "foods" and the manufactured fake foods trailing along at the rear of the pack with highest calorie density and lowest nutrient density.
The nutrient density view could be called more technical and the calorie density more seat of the pants, intuitive. Either/both ways of looking at food will bring you to much the same place in terms of health, weight loss, disease reversal, etc.
patty wrote:GeoffreyLevens wrote:Interestingly, nutrient density and calorie density overlap to a very large degree! If you look at foods in general, almost across the board, the lower the calorie density, the higher the nutrient density and vis versa. There are small variations within that arc, but overall, the lowest cal/highest nutrient contents are the non starchy veg and fruits, then the starchy veg, next come the grains and beans, finally the seeds and nuts. The highest calorie/lowest nutrients come from animal sourced "foods" and the manufactured fake foods trailing along at the rear of the pack with highest calorie density and lowest nutrient density.
The nutrient density view could be called more technical and the calorie density more seat of the pants, intuitive. Either/both ways of looking at food will bring you to much the same place in terms of health, weight loss, disease reversal, etc.
Nuts and seeds are on the higher level in the calorie density scale. Jeff Novick's _Calorie Density_ dvds make it very clear.
Aloha, patty
GeoffreyLevens wrote:patty wrote:GeoffreyLevens wrote:Interestingly, nutrient density and calorie density overlap to a very large degree! If you look at foods in general, almost across the board, the lower the calorie density, the higher the nutrient density and vis versa. There are small variations within that arc, but overall, the lowest cal/highest nutrient contents are the non starchy veg and fruits, then the starchy veg, next come the grains and beans, finally the seeds and nuts. The highest calorie/lowest nutrients come from animal sourced "foods" and the manufactured fake foods trailing along at the rear of the pack with highest calorie density and lowest nutrient density.
The nutrient density view could be called more technical and the calorie density more seat of the pants, intuitive. Either/both ways of looking at food will bring you to much the same place in terms of health, weight loss, disease reversal, etc.
Nuts and seeds are on the higher level in the calorie density scale. Jeff Novick's _Calorie Density_ dvds make it very clear.
Aloha, patty
Yes, exactly! Higher calorie density = lower nutrient density... Of all the plant based foods they are the highest in calories and the lowest in nutrients and so the very least of them should be eaten.
Yes, I think you are not understanding. Cal density is calories per weight ie calories/pound. Nutrient density is nutrients/calorie. Foods that have lowest calorie density, fresh veg and fruits, also top the list of foods with highest nutrient density. These are the ones to eat a lot of.In not understanding how calorie density works, again nutrient density in my perspective is just a spin, by having too many nuts you completely throw low calorie density out with the baby in the bath water. They can be limited or not even needed.
GeoffreyLevens wrote:Yes, I think you are not understanding. Cal density is calories per weight ie calories/pound. Nutrient density is nutrients/calorie. Foods that have lowest calorie density, fresh veg and fruits, also top the list of foods with highest nutrient density. These are the ones to eat a lot of.In not understanding how calorie density works, again nutrient density in my perspective is just a spin, by having too many nuts you completely throw low calorie density out with the baby in the bath water. They can be limited or not even needed.
Nuts and seeds have very high calorie density, many calories/pound and relatively low nutrient density. These are foods you want to only eat a very small amount of and many people may not eat any of them and still do fine. So yes, by definition, limited or not needed when looked at either through the calorie density screen or the nutrient density screen.
Which ever way you look at food, calorie density or nutrient density, you end up with foods ranked pretty much in the same order of how much of them you want to eat.
HealthE1 wrote:Thanks Engineer Guy and Jim. So happy to finally put this to rest. Yes, all the doctors' programs who promote a plant or starch based diet are helping us toward a healthy lifestyle. Each seem to just be a little tweak different which allows for us to choose which suits us best. So hat's off to every single one of them!
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