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audretoburrito wrote:Hi,
No we don't have Aldi's around here. In terms of greens at my closest Walmart I can't say how long they'ed last as I don't really like greens and the few I buy I freeze lol.
Audreto
Dougalling wrote:I can get turkey at 77 cents a pound !!!
I can get a 1 pound of dried beans for $1.28 !!!
Something is very very very wrong here !
Hi,
No we don't have Aldi's around here. In terms of greens at my closest Walmart I can't say how long they'ed last as I don't really like greens and the few I buy I freeze lol.
Audreto
f1jim wrote:I also may be misinformed but I thought most anything except alcohol & tobacco were ok.
f1jim
“Junk Food” & Luxury Items
The Food and Nutrition Act of 2008 (the Act) defines eligible food as any food or food product for home consumption and also includes seeds and plants which produce food for consumption by SNAP households. The Act precludes the following items from being purchased with SNAP benefits: alcoholic beverages, tobacco products, hot food and any food sold for on-premises consumption. Nonfood items such as pet foods, soaps, paper products, medicines and vitamins, household supplies, grooming items, and cosmetics, also are ineligible for purchase with SNAP benefits.
Soft drinks, candy, cookies, snack crackers, and ice cream are food items and are therefore eligible items
Seafood, steak, and bakery cakes are also food items and are therefore eligible items
Since the current definition of food is a specific part of the Act, any change to this definition would require action by a member of Congress. Several times in the history of SNAP, Congress had considered placing limits on the types of food that could be purchased with program benefits. However, they concluded that designating foods as luxury or non-nutritious would be administratively costly and burdensome. Further detailed information about the challenges of restricting the use of SNAP benefits can be found here:
Report -- Implications of Restricting the use of Food Stamp Benefits
Energy Drinks
When considering the eligibility of energy drinks, and other branded products, the primary determinant is the type of product label chosen by the manufacturer to conform to Food and Drug Administration (FDA) guidelines:
Energy drinks that have a nutrition facts label are eligible foods
Energy drinks that have a supplement facts label are classified by the FDA as supplements, and are therefore not eligible
Live Animals
Generally live animals and birds are not eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits. Live seafood such as lobsters, fish and shellfish may be purchased with SNAP benefits.
Pumpkins, Holiday Gift Baskets, and Special Occasion Cakes
Pumpkins are edible and eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits. However, inedible gourds and pumpkins that are used solely for ornamental purposes are not eligible items.
Gift baskets that contain both food and non-food items, are not eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits if the value of the non-food items exceeds 50 percent of the purchase price. To read our most recent notice about Gift Baskets, click here.
Items such as birthday and other special occasion cakes are eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits as long as the value of non-edible decorations does not exceed 50 percent of the purchase price of the cake.
patty wrote:As long as they are eating meat, fish and poultry they still are hard core addicts. The rest would go into SOS Methadone foods, until starch based WFPBNO. As Dr. Campbell shares in "Whole" it has to be from the bottom up. The only law needed to be activated is 'Don't do anything to anyone else that you don't want done to you." And that takes self-governing. It is first then Light, the Perception and then Projection. When focusing on what the other (government) is doing you are in Projection. It is to ask for a shift of Perception, to return to the Light. When turning on the Light the darkness leaves. Focusing on what people eat, is like fat shaming. As Dr. McDougall shares it is the Food on your plate. It's the Environment:) outside in. The outside government is always going to be running amuck because it takes two to know not 2.
Aloha, patty
StarchHEFP wrote:GoodLife wrote:I think is cruel for members of this group to participate in poor-shaming. Unless you have been poor enough to need and use the SNAP program, you should not deride those who are. If doctors and physicians, nutritionists, and other healthcare professionals with their large salaries and multiple years of education are not knowledgeable enough to know how to correctly feed the human body, why should you expect poorly and under-educated poor people to know about nutrition?
Shame on you for poor shaming!
I apologize if this thread was perceived as "poor shaming" as I thought the discussion here was very productive and respectful. Being an immigrant, we didn't come in dire poverty but had limited resources in the beginning. I remember eating a lot of rice, lentils, peas and potatoes, and chicken was only a few times per year. What the intent was that the food program (SNAP) does not have someone's best interest behind it, but every time groups try to "reform" SNAP it is met with vehement opposition. It puzzles me to think why are they covering things like sugar sweetened beverages when it is supposed to be a "supplemental NUTRITION assistance program" and there is no nutritive value in what people are consuming in SNAP.
I had a very productive meeting with the representative from the public health department, and she was very interested to hear about plant-based diets, and what groups like PPN are doing to bring plant-based ready to serve meals (at cost) to underprivileged communities. I know it is very important to be humble, empathetic especially when dealing with sensitive issues like poverty and I'm sorry if it came across as elitist. I find McDougallers to be the opposite of elitist because what they eat is basic subsistence food the way it has been eaten through world wars, and the great depression. In lean times, starch is the most bang for the buck.
As far as what to feed the human body, I am very humble and acknowledge that what I have learned in residency and med school has been all wrong. I rely on the grandmothers/grandfathers of the underprivileged to tell the younger folks how to stretch a dollar and to live simply and healthfully, because about 60-70 years ago without government programs, people ate a lot of rice, beans, potatoes, greens, and oatmeal. People had their own gardens if they had the room and land. There was no processed food or fast food, and no supplemental nutrition assistance program. I'm not an advocate of doing away with SNAP (although current leadership might drastically reduce it) but rather, I'm a fan of making SNAP policy match at the very least the healthy eating plate approved by the USDA, in which there is no place for junk foods and soda.
Thank you for your attention, and for keeping us humble.
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