Milk & Dairy - Scientific Evidence That It's Not Bad

[StarchHEFP]

I learned so much about dairy from Dr. McDougall's lecture on dairy products. I encourage you to look at this. I can assure you he pretty much answers any and all questions someone could have about dairy consumption. No conflicts of interest here! As one of Dr. McDougall's lecture series are called he's separating the lies from the fad-free truth!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJvrlwnEqbs

[Truth101]

Tanja Kongerslev Thorning has no conflicts of interest to declare. Anne Raben is recipient of research funding from the Dairy Research Institute, Rosemont, IL, USA and the Danish Agriculture & Food Council.Tine Tholstrup is recipient of research grants from the Danish Dairy Research Foundation and the Dairy Research Institute, Rosemont, IL. The sponsors had no role in design and conduct of the studies, data collection and analysis, interpretation of the data, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscripts. Sabita S. Soedamah-Muthu received funding from the Global Dairy Platform, Dairy Research Institute and Dairy Australia for meta-analyses on cheese and blood lipids and on dairy and mortality. The sponsors had no role in design and conduct of the meta-analyses, data collection and analysis, interpretation of the data, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscripts. Ian Givens is recipient of research grants from UK Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council (BBSRC), UK Medical Research Council (MRC), Arla Foods UK, AAK-UK (both in kind), The Barham Benevolent Foundation, Volac UK, DSM Switzerland and Global Dairy Platform. He is a consultant for The Bio-competence Centre of Healthy Dairy Products, Tartu, Estonia, and in the recent past for The Dairy Council (London). Arne Astrup is recipient of research grants from Arla Foods, DK; Danish Dairy Research Foundation; Global Dairy Platform; Danish Agriculture & Food Council; GEIE European Milk Forum, France. He is member of advisory boards for Dutch Beer Knowledge Institute, NL; IKEA, SV; Lucozade Ribena Suntory Ltd, UK; McCain Foods Limited, USA; McDonald’s, USA; Weight Watchers, USA. He is a consultant for Nestlé Research Center, Switzerland; Nongfu Spring Water, China. Astrup receives honoraria as Associate Editor of American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, and for membership of the Editorial Boards of Annals of Nutrition and Metabolism and Annual Review of Nutrition. He is recipient of travel expenses and/or modest honoraria (<$2,000) for lectures given at meetings supported by corporate sponsors. He received financial support from dairy organisations for attendance at the Eurofed Lipids Congress (2014) in France and the meeting of The Federation of European Nutrition Societies (2015) in Germany.

This is just hilarious , so it's overall or completely funded by the dairy industry. Sounds very untrustworthy for me then!

[Truth101]

Thanks for clarifying it all everyone. I've learned allot from you guys. And as you say, just try it out for yourself and see what works well.

When I was young I was allergic to Milk, I don’t know if I’ve grown over it but I need to drink allot to get the effect on the toilet so to say.
I don’t eat the average USA diet, I eat/drink mostly a whole food plant based diet and I feel good. More energy, mental clarity and better sleep.

Milk is everywhere, I only take the casein when taking protein shakes. I will change to plant based protein, when the bag is empty though!

I saw a video about researchers and their studies, they just take the minimum amount of research needed, scramble it or just use what they need and use that as the truthful science. It’s already amazingly coincidental that all money donors are dairy companies or industries and the final verdict is that it’s healthy..

Haha Berry, sounds very rational as you sum all the parts up. The study looks like allot of BS, only telling what people like to read or coming from a place that people are already unhealthy.

And it’s true as what I saw in the Forks over Knives documentary. As soon as people start to eat dairy and meat, they get fat and sick..

My final verdict: I’ll continue with my vegan diet

[bbq]

Yeah, it's pretty like much like a parade of the dairy industry since they're so keen on hiring clowns for their circus act.

BTW, we don't even know what they're REALLY doing while trying to hide from us these days:

Impacts of Milk Fraud on Food Safety and Nutrition with Special Emphasis on Developing Countries
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1541-4337.12181/full

Fake Food Scandals - A Bad Year For Food Lovers
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2016/07/11/fake-food-scandals-a-bad-year-for-food-lovers/

Food Fraud: The Case Of Factory-Farmed “Organic” Milk And Eggs
http://fanaticcook.com/2015/08/20/food-fraud-the-case-of-factory-farmed-organic-milk-and-eggs/

Dairy fraud may 'ruin' drive to boost Russian milk output
http://www.agrimoney.com/news/dairy-fraud-may-ruin-drive-to-boost-russian-milk-output--8722.html

Two sentenced to death over China melamine milk scandal
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/4315627/Two-sentenced-to-death-over-China-melamine-milk-scandal.html

I really dunno if these numbers were true and I don't even wanna know:

http://192.185.115.22/~samadhan/dairy-industry-in-india/



Let's compare the numbers on top and at the bottom respectively. What on Earth are they feeding those Frankenstein cows to produce bovine secretion like that?

Heck, they weren't even paying for the real deal since it's such a HOT commodity:

70% of milk in Delhi, country is adulterated
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/70-of-milk-in-Delhi-country-is-adulterated/articleshow/11429910.cms

Of the 71 samples randomly taken from Delhi for testing by the Food Safety Standards Authority of India (FSSAI), 50 were found to be contaminated with glucose and skim milk powder (SMP), which is usually added to milk in the lean season to enhance volumes.

Elsewhere in the 33 states and UTs study, milk was found adulterated with detergent, fat and even urea, besides the age-old dilution with water. Across the country, 68.4% of the samples were found contaminated.

[Chikiwing]

Common sense says human milk is best for human infants. No milk is right for animals past the age of weaning. In fact, most mothers will push away young animals past a certain age. Common sense can be a difficult concept when overcome by outside pressures.
f1jim

I agree with f1jim.

Drinking and eating the breast milk from another species seems obviously unnatural. This custom must have initially began as a necessity to prevent starvation at sometime. Who else would go up to a cow and start sucking on its breast? Or goat, or camel, and all the other animals used for milk.

[bbq]

Experts warn over the quality of breast milk sold online
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-10/18/content_27092513.htm

In China, wealthy adults drink breast milk while millions of infants stick with formula
http://qz.com/103834/in-china-wealthy-adults-drink-breast-milk-while-millions-of-infants-stick-with-formula/

Human breast milk becomes new luxury item for China's super-rich with firms even offering wet nurse services
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2356033/Human-breast-milk-new-luxury-item-Chinas-super-rich-firms-offering-wet-nurse-services.html

Would you wash with soap made from BREAST milk? Chinese mother selling bars shaped as teddies and rabbits online
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2641601/Would-YOU-wash-soap-BREAST-MILK.html

Stop buying human breast milk soap on Taobao, doctors say
http://shanghaiist.com/2014/01/05/doctors-warn-stop-buying-breast-milk-online.php

Cows In China Are Now Producing Human Breast Milk
http://gizmodo.com/5810080/cows-in-china-are-now-producing-human-breast-milk-for-your-dairy-needs

Human milk from cows? Scientists make it happen
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/human-milk-from-cows-scientists-make-it-happen/

[StarchHEFP]

Thanks for clarifying it all everyone. I've learned allot from you guys. And as you say, just try it out for yourself and see what works well.

When I was young I was allergic to Milk, I don’t know if I’ve grown over it but I need to drink allot to get the effect on the toilet so to say.
I don’t eat the average USA diet, I eat/drink mostly a whole food plant based diet and I feel good. More energy, mental clarity and better sleep.

Milk is everywhere, I only take the casein when taking protein shakes. I will change to plant based protein, when the bag is empty though!

I saw a video about researchers and their studies, they just take the minimum amount of research needed, scramble it or just use what they need and use that as the truthful science. It’s already amazingly coincidental that all money donors are dairy companies or industries and the final verdict is that it’s healthy..

Haha Berry, sounds very rational as you sum all the parts up. The study looks like allot of BS, only telling what people like to read or coming from a place that people are already unhealthy.

And it’s true as what I saw in the Forks over Knives documentary. As soon as people start to eat dairy and meat, they get fat and sick..

My final verdict: I’ll continue with my vegan diet

My friend, drop the protein shakes and don't waste your money on plant-based protein shakes either. Just consume plant-based food, plenty of it, and you should not worry about protein with a balanced plant-based diet according to the McDougall Plan (or any other plant-based plan for that matter, take your pick). No plant-based plans include protein powder/shakes. Those that feel like they need more protein, I tell to consume lentils/legumes and those veggies higher in protein like green peas, broccoli, cauliflower, etc. No evidence exists of protein deficiency in vegetarians/vegans. Theoretically if someone were to eat fruits all day, one may be lacking in protein that way unless consuming boxes upon boxes (and probably spending much time in the bathroom)

[Birdy]

I can only speak to my experience with dairy. I have eliminated then reintroduced dairy in my diet a number of times, and know with certainty that it causes significant sinus congestion and contributes to general arthritic type discomfort in me. The problems with sinus congestion go back to my early childhood. After several days completely free of dairy in any form, I can breathe normally and sleep better without congestion.

In terms of human use of dairy products, I found this history of human consumption of dairy interesting: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/0908/09082801 It's understandable that it came into use as a survival food, but as the article points out, it didn't serve that purpose for most of the lactose intolerant people of the world. My ancestry is Irish and Scotch, but even so I don't tolerate dairy well.

Interesting discussion!