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Percent of protein too high?

Postby Digby » Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:24 pm

I've been tracking my food intake on Chron-o-meter, and the amount of protein I"m getting on a vegan diet is 11% - 16%. Is that too high? I don't want to leach calcium from my bones.
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Re: Percent of protein too high?

Postby colonyofcells » Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:17 am

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4209065/
Typical Mcdougall diet is about 12% protein. It is also allowed to do a high protein version of Mcdougall diet by using beans (except high fat soy), lentils and peas as the main starch. Stories of excess protein destroying bones seem to be untrue stories.
Can read the free picture book :
https://www.drmcdougall.com/2014/06/30/food-poisoning/
Cronometer is probably not accurate. Not all the protein showing up on cronometer is absorbed from plant foods and vegans can eat more protein than omnivores.
Picture Book does not allow refined protein like isolated soy protein and seitan.
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Re: Percent of protein too high?

Postby Yomom » Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:16 pm

colonyofcells wrote:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4209065/
Typical Mcdougall diet is about 12% fat.


No, the typical McDougall diet is NOT "about 12% fat".

In a recent thread about this very topic,
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=50470&p=518375#p518375
Jeff Novick emphatically stated:

"If ever asked during the program about what is the percent fat in his diet, Dr McDougall's answer is that the McDougall diet is "about 7% fat," or he may say "~10% fat" or he may say "<10% fat." Never once in 8 years of working by his side, including this week, have I heard him say the McDougall diet is 15% fat or ~15% fat.

If you go back to Dr McDougall’s original studies

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11890437
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8522729

the percent fat is defined in these as either "low-fat (≤10% of calories)” or "very low-fat, approximately 10%."

and to the most recent one published (10/14), which was peer-reviewed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4209065/

the percent fat is defined in these as "roughly 7% fat” (1x), and as "low-fat (≤10% of calories)” (5x).

These 3 studies were done by Dr McDougall and he is the lead author of the study and has final word on what is written and is in perfect agreement with what he says at the 10-Day Program."
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Re: Percent of protein too high?

Postby vgpedlr » Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:01 pm

colonyofcells wrote:Cronometer is probably not accurate.

What?! Do you have any references for this? Since CRON-O-meter is based on USDA databases, if it's wrong then everybody is wrong. Or do you think the software misreads the data? How would you know this?

OP:
Don't worry about a couple of percentage points for macronutrients. If you're following the guidelines and choosing the right foods, it will all work out. The risks are greater with animal protein because of a different amino acid profile. If you're really concerned, measure your protein intake in grams. Research doesn't seem to show any toxicity with protein intake under 1.5 grams per kilogram of bodyweight, and that's omnivorous protein. The only exception I know of is established kidney disease.
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Re: Percent of protein too high?

Postby Skip » Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:05 pm

The "leaching of calcium" comes from excessive animal protein (high is sulfer/acid content), not plant based protein.

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/alkalin ... cium-loss/
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