Flu Shot

[f1jim]

Just to clarify....Dr. McDougall is not anti vaccine. He strongly recommends children should get the regular vaccines as recommended by most physicians.
He is against the CURRENT flu vaccine which is rather ineffective preventing the current strain of flu in circulation. He doesn't say NEVER get a flu shot. His recommendation may change from year to year.
f1jim

[bbq]

Almost 70 patients tested for HIV and hepatitis after nurse is caught REUSING a syringe while giving flu shots at New Jersey offices
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3262327/Almost-70-patients-tested-HIV-hepatitis-nurse-caught-using-syringe-giving-flu-shots-New-Jersey-clinic.html

Nurse Reuses Syringe While Giving Flu Shots to Patients at NJ Clinic: Officials
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Syringe-TotalWellness-Nurse-Flu-Vaccinations-West-Windsor-New-Jersey-330777592.html

Good Night, and Good Luck.

[WyldMoonWoman]

Almost 70 patients tested for HIV and hepatitis after nurse is caught REUSING a syringe while giving flu shots at New Jersey offices
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3262327/Almost-70-patients-tested-HIV-hepatitis-nurse-caught-using-syringe-giving-flu-shots-New-Jersey-clinic.html

Nurse Reuses Syringe While Giving Flu Shots to Patients at NJ Clinic: Officials
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Syringe-TotalWellness-Nurse-Flu-Vaccinations-West-Windsor-New-Jersey-330777592.html

Good Night, and Good Luck.

That nurse should lose her license. Unacceptable.

[bbq]

The Department of Health said that the nurse had changed the needle between each injection, but re-used the same syringe each time.

Here's the REAL kicker:

Officials investigating the incident also found that the nurse also gave less than the recommended dose of flu shot at the Mercer County clinic.

The Department of Health warned that anyone wanting to be protected against flu this winter would need to have another vaccination.

BTW, something similar also occurred in April 2014:

SIX HUNDRED students put at risk of HIV by healthcare worker who failed to change part of the syringe during blood tests and vaccinations
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2615879/SIX-HUNDRED-students-risk-HIV-healthcare-worker-failed-change-syringe-patients-having-blood-tests-vaccinations.html

Another one back in April 2011 and a pink slip was rewarded accordingly:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376613/Parents-horror-told-test-infants-HIV-flu-vaccine-mix-up.html

Because children are supposed to receive two doses of the vaccine, the assistant then removed the used needle from each syringe and replaced it with a sterile needle - but did not replace the syringe, still half full of vaccine.

Better be safe than sorry so ask a "stupid" question no matter what - did you change the syringe yet?

[docscience]

By looking at these links, I would think that at least one of the nurses, could be bribed (at a relatively inexpensive price), into marking onto your chart, that you were given the flue shot. To make them feel ok about it, tell them you want to inject yourself behind the curtain.

[dynodan62]

I notice current newsmedia flu shot promotions are admitting that last year's vaccine was not very effective (they claim 20%), but they say that this year's version is much better. How the hell can they know that? If the virus is continually mutating, wouldn't any valid evaluation of the success of this year's guess have to wait until flu season is over and research could be completed?

[bbq]

That's easy, just pick some Europeans who migrated to America and don't count the native Americans:

http://www.slideshare.net/raynapetrova7/ispectrum-magazine-09

[Mrs. Doodlepunk]

By looking at these links, I would think that at least one of the nurses, could be bribed (at a relatively inexpensive price), into marking onto your chart, that you were given the flue shot. To make them feel ok about it, tell them you want to inject yourself behind the curtain.

Hooold on there, cowboy. Are you saying that nurses are hard up for cash, and have loose morals and are criminals that will take bribes? Especially LOW BALL bribes? Good grief.

Now see, this is why I should never, ever, EVER read stuff or comment on things here in the Lounge area.

This "nurse" who gave these shots might not even have been a nurse. She could be someone who was trained in giving injections with no other training at all. Everyone in a doctor's office is called a "nurse" these days.

Doc, a nice apology to us nice nurses would be.... nice.

I'm going back to the Journal section where it's nicer.

[bbq]

License Suspended for Nurse Accused of Reusing Syringes
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/license-nurse-reused-syringes-flu-shots-suspended-34340965

"Such conduct evidences that (the nurse) is a clear and imminent danger to the public warranting a temporary suspension of her license to practice nursing in the state," the order states.

[Thrasymachus]

@Mrs. Doodlepunk:
Just like alot of people don't wash their hands after using the bathroom as experience using public restrooms should teach any adult, I am sure nurses are not any more special or better in that or any regard. If you go out to eat, be assured that whatever you eat there is likely not washed as properly as it would be at the home of someone conscientious because they are rushing through and they care alot less because they are not eating, or in any large kitchen there will be enough people for a dirty, lazy slob to work there in food prep. I watched a documentary on the Gerson Therapy recently called the Beautiful Truth that mentioned in the early 20th Century a colleague of Dr. Gerson was ridiculed in Germany for suggesting that between delivering babies doctors could greatly reduce the risk infection and death for mothers by simply washing their hands. My father has been caring for my bedridden grandmother for over 2 years and now he has colon cancer, so they are gonna put her in a nursing home. When she soiled herself my father was pretty prompt at changing her diaper and cleaning her, but now they expect that the underpaid nursing home staff will leave her for hours in a soiled state as they are over-worked, underpaid, they don't know here enough to care and they just have to deal with so many undesirable tasks and work that they are constantly overwhelmed and frustrated.

If you look I am sure many nurses don't use proper handling and care with syringes. I know at my work I do the same dumb mundane crap tasks everyday, with little novelty, so I enter a zombie like trance and I have trouble forgetting what task I just or didn't do. It is human nature, the human condition. You need to be realistic, get some thicker skin and stop pretending that health care professionals are some angels or paragons of ethics. Alot of people just go into healthcare because they perceive rightfully so, unfortunately, that there is alot of $$$ there.

[f1jim]

All professions have bad apples and incompetent people. Doctors to burger flippers. There is no profession immune from this.
Some people are not worth the millions paid to them for a CEO position. Others are worth far less than the minimum wage paid for less educated positions.
f1jim

[dailycarbs]

The best place to contract infectious diseseases is, wait for it, frequent places where there are people with said infections. No matter how much care our medical community uses to prevent their spread, being in a hospital or medical office around other sick people, with possibly questionable or slack practices by staff multiplies your risk of contracting something. I would assume the nurse reusing syringes is pretty rare. If it was common, we'd probably have a real Typhoid Mary episode on our hands. But even following best practices, you see story after story of failure (recently, it was colonoscopy equipment, eek!)
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100798338

When it comes to flu vaccines, I think it's a gray area and I think that Dr. McDougall has it right. I choose no. Never had one. I'm not sure if it's the right or wrong thing and I hope that I'm not "carrying" to older and younger people who maybe more susceptible. Recent vaccines have not shown to be effective and it's a crap shoot anyway, so I think I have a case. When it comes to things like polio, at the risk of starting another flame war, you people who refuse to vaccinate your kids are society's deadbeats. Pure and simple. You're riding on the immunity of the herd and pay nothing back. I'd rather be polite but we ain't got no time left for that. This issue has gotten out of control and one day we society will pay the price your stubbornness.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/05 ... -vaccines/

[Gershon]

When it comes to things like polio, at the risk of starting another flame war, you people who refuse to vaccinate your kids are society's deadbeats. Pure and simple. You're riding on the immunity of the herd and pay nothing back. I'd rather be polite but we ain't got no time left for that. This issue has gotten out of control and one day we society will pay the price your stubbornness.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/05 ... -vaccines/

This is actually not the case. The government likes to tell us the polio vaccine was and is safe. That's wrong. In 1955, the Salk vaccine gave 40,000 people polio. In 1934 and 1935, two other vaccines gave significant numbers of people polio.

The oral vaccine gives a live virus, which gives people a form of polio was initiated in about 1959. This virus mutates in the gut and can be passed to other people. This is the vaccine given overseas. In fact, every single major outbreak of polio I've investigated was preceded by a vaccination campaign.

I'm not going to give references here, as they are all neatly packaged in the book, "Polio: An American Story." Those who seek truth before vaccination can read the book. It's a fascinating account of the intrigue, truths, untruths, dangerous human testing, and outright mistakes that are a part of the history of the polio vaccine. It's probable more people were given polio by the vaccines than cases were prevented.

This is the same government we are supposed to trust when they say the current vaccines are safe. The intrigue continues to this day when they don't report cases of polio caused by the oral vaccine as cases of polio.

The polio vaccine is similar to those advertising viruses that infect a computer with pop-ups and then offer to sell you the cure. The oral vaccine is being given in many other countries and it is infecting people with polio. These people are infecting others around them who have not been given the vaccine.

[dailycarbs]

These vaccine posts make me sad. I wonder if I've entered a conspiracy website and should perhaps look elsewhere for my health advice.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... ass-vacci/

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... ccination/

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles. ... /Vaccines/

http://skepdic.com/antivaccination.html

Robert Mendelsohn, M.D. is one of the leading opponents of vaccination. He claims that there is "no convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating any childhood disease." He thinks nobody knows why diseases such as polio have almost been eliminated, though improved living conditions might have something to do with it. Quackwatch calls this misconception #1 about immunization. Mendelsohn reasons that inoculations are ineffective because the diseases diminished not only in the U.S. when vaccinations were widespread but also in Europe even though no mass immunizations took place there. I don't know if this is true, but it should be. In isolated populations with little immunity to a disease, one would expect an infectious disease to either kill people or make them immune to further infection. In any case, whether infectious diseases diminished without inoculation is irrelevant to the causal effectiveness of vaccines. What is relevant, for example, is that the incidence of measles certainly went down due to vaccination programs in the U.S. and the U.K. (Now that a significant number of parents do not have their children vaccinated, measles outbreaks have occurred in both the U.S. and the U.K.)

[wade4veg]

These vaccine posts make me sad. I wonder if I've entered a conspiracy website and should perhaps look elsewhere for my health advice.

Yes, we have folks... unnamed,.. who are on par with the 9-11 Truth.org... the government brought down the World Trade Center, and the "Birthers" who insist that Obama was born in Kenya.
Here, they flail away at the "vaxxers"... and would have us and the world return to the days of mass suffering from polio, small pox, whooping cough.

Its a wonder that any of them even dare use tap water, knowing all the "chemicals" used to make it safe.

They live in a nearly perfect world of public health and act like it became that way thru some magical process....or would have done so on its own, without the intervention of vaccines and other modern processes.

Special processes seem to be going on in their cognition... some filtering method. The same kind of thinking that seems to permeate all these conspiracy groups. Like a healthy skepticism gone awry.