Lion is shot --- hypocrisy of it

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Re: Lion is shot --- hypocrisy of it

Postby dailycarbs » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:54 pm

Why do you believe Palmer is telling he truth?

the New York Times reports that Palmer pleaded guilty in 2008 to making a false statement to federal officials in regards to a black bear that he killed in Wisconsin.
Read more at http://m.snopes.com/2015/07/29/cecil-li ... X1dvubB.99


Why do you believe they are not pursuing the locals?
Both professional hunter Theo Bronkhorst’s licence number 553 who was involved in the hunt and the owner of Antoinette farm, Mr. Honest Trymore Ndlovu are being jointly charged for illegally hunting the lion. The two are due to appear in court on Wednesday, 29 July 2015. Efforts are being made to interview the other professional hunter, Zane Bronkhorst, licence number 558, who was also involved in the illegal hunt.
Read more at http://m.snopes.com/2015/07/29/cecil-li ... X1dvubB.99
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Re: Lion is shot --- hypocrisy of it

Postby CarrotTopsRGreen » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:38 am

Jumpstart, I believe all of the Zimbabweans involved are under arrest. I am not on top of the latest news stories, but the last I heard, Zimbabwe wanted the dentist to be extradited to their country and he is in hiding. Someone else may have more up-to-date information.
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Re: Lion is shot --- hypocrisy of it

Postby Lesliec1 » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:53 am

Jumpstart wrote:And what is happening to the man/men who own the private land and arrange these hunts? From what I can tell, nothing. But, a guy who comes to Africa doesn't know where the park boundaries are, and needs a plan and help to lure a lion onto private land to be shot is the person that everyone including the country seems to be after. All of what happened could never have been accomplished without the direct involvement in the plan and duplicity of those that own the private game preserve. They are the ones who need to be arrested and charged.


The details haven't really come out yet but I did read that this guy has a shady past and knew exactly what he was doing. So I think more facts might emerge. "Film at eleven" as they say.

To the OP, absolutely the whole thing is hypocritical but that is always the way people are going to think. People's ability to compartmentalize is amazing.

I love that it's a big story. Any awareness about animal crueltyi is good. Plus there are a ton of posts on facebook saying, "What about this cow, this pig, etc" so that's even more information getting out there. Educate to liberate.
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Re: Lion is shot --- hypocrisy of it

Postby dailycarbs » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:47 am

As widely reported, everyone invloved is being pursued by the authorities.

Guide Who Led Hunt That Killed Cecil the Lion in Zimbabwe Says He Did Nothing Wrong - The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/world ... wrong.html


Zimbabwe Court Postpones Trial of Guide in Killing of Cecil the Lion - The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/06/world ... guide.html

Here's an interesting quote from the guide:

Dr. Palmer then asked to hunt an elephant but they could not find one large enough for Dr. Palmer’s liking, Mr. Bronkhorst said.

“I don’t want to shoot any animals,” said Mr. Bronkhorst, who has run Bushman Safaris Zimbabwe, a family hunting business, since 1992. “I do it because it is the only way I can earn a living.”


So it would seem that upon hunting down the lion and finding it was a collared/protected, Mr. Palmer's next though was finding a large enough elephant to kill. Thank god, I suppose, that no elephant matched his massive ego.
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Re: Lion is shot --- hypocrisy of it

Postby Jack Monzon » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:56 pm

I am reasonably optimistic that there will be a financial settlement in the end.
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Re: Lion is shot --- hypocrisy of it

Postby bbq » Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:39 am

Cecil the Lion: Zimbabwe FINALLY bans trophy hunting after 1 million sign petition

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/596077/Cecil-the-Lion-Zimbabwe-bans-trophy-huntingone-million-sign-petition

British Airways and Virgin pledge NEVER to carry big game trophies in wake of Cecil

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/595927/Cecil-lion-British-Airways-Virgin-ban-big-game-trophy-cargo
Both airlines spoke out as three US airlines vowed to end the shipment of lion, rhinoceros, leopard, elephant or buffalo remains.
Duh?
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Re: Lion is shot --- hypocrisy of it

Postby patty » Fri Aug 07, 2015 12:17 pm

bbq wrote:Cecil the Lion: Zimbabwe FINALLY bans trophy hunting after 1 million sign petition

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/596077/Cecil-the-Lion-Zimbabwe-bans-trophy-huntingone-million-sign-petition

British Airways and Virgin pledge NEVER to carry big game trophies in wake of Cecil

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/595927/Cecil-lion-British-Airways-Virgin-ban-big-game-trophy-cargo
Both airlines spoke out as three US airlines vowed to end the shipment of lion, rhinoceros, leopard, elephant or buffalo remains.
Duh?


Maybe they should make it legal if you see someone big game hunting, you have the right to shoot them and have all their property rights:) I guess I will just have to keep shooting the big game hunters with LOVE from a WORLD inside that is inclusive. As Martin Luther King jr. said "Kill them with kindness." Rip Cecil!

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Re: Lion is shot --- hypocrisy of it

Postby Lynn M » Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:06 pm

Erin Janus has made an excellent video that not only address the horrible waste of Cecil the Lion and other "trophy" animals, but also the conveniently forgotten billions of sentient beings who die needlessly each day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPdJroY ... e=youtu.be
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Re: Lion is shot --- hypocrisy of it

Postby BlueHeron » Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:10 pm

Great video. Thanks.
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Re: Lion is shot --- hypocrisy of it

Postby Thrasymachus » Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:43 pm

People love things that allow them to feel good while not doing anything or changing on a personal level. That is why people love to consume news about "poor Cecil" because they can feel good and superior. Yet they still pay the most marginalized in their societies to conduct factory scale, shrink-wrapped animal slaughter. The dentist is bad, and they are good for siding with the vanquished lion.

I just watched a documentary They Killed Sister Dorothy about a nun who was involved in trying to preserve the rainforest in Brazil by allowing landless peasants to settle under the condition that out they only utilize like 20% and preserve the other 80%, protecting it from loggers and ranchers. But in the Brazlian Amazon most the land is disputed and illegally claimed so plot 55 that was being used for her pilot project was also claimed by ranchers and loggers who are known to hire pistoleros and thugs. Ranchers paid to have murdered for 50,000 Brazilian real. It is worse than the Wild West there, as people who openly walk around with impunity since you can easily buy justice in the states of the Brazilian Amazon.

The documentary didn't cover meat eating, and the nun wasn't even vegetarian, but that is the violence it takes to consume to Western levels. We ignore it because it was so far in the past that where I lived in the Northeastern USA that we destroyed our forests and the native Indian tribes, and because Brazil is so foreign. We also ignore it because of the spatial distance involved:
Timothy Pachirat wrote:Medium: Working Undercover in a Slaughterhouse: an interview with Timothy Pachirat

I recommend Zygmunt Bauman’s superb book Modernity and the Holocaust for those interested in how parallel mechanisms of distance, concealment, and surveillance worked to neutralize the killing work taking place in Auschwitz and other concentration camps. The lesson here, of course, is not that slaughterhouses and genocides are morally or functionally equivalent, but rather that large-scale, routinized, and systematic violence is entirely consistent with the kinds of bureaucratic structures and mechanisms we typically associate with modern civilization.


The French sociologist Norbert Elias argues—convincingly, in my view—that it is the “concealment” and “displacement” of violence, rather than its elimination or reduction, that is the hallmark of civilization. In my view, the contemporary industrialized slaughterhouse provides an exemplary case that highlights some of the most salient features of this phenomenon.


To have the house in suburbia, the white picket fence, the numerous cars for each adult family member, the animal product for every meal of every day takes a constant stream of blood, local and foreign. To feel good about this we need the media to constantly feed us stories of the Cecil's of the world.
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Re: Lion is shot --- hypocrisy of it

Postby lilypad » Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:30 pm

Thrasymachus wrote:People love things that allow them to feel good while not doing anything or changing on a personal level. That is why people love to consume news about "poor Cecil" because they can feel good and superior. Yet they still pay the most marginalized in their societies for factory scale, shrink-wrapped animal slaughter. The dentist is bad, and they are good for siding with the vanquished lion. .


This is why I've been rolling my eyes at the whole thing.
Although I do think, anything is better than nothing. It may make people think twice about how they treat animals, which can only be a good thing.

And Jimmy Kimmel is a massive hypocrite, and Morrisey has 'called him out'. Morrisey was due to be on his show but cancelled because Duck Dynasty cast were going to be on there, and Morrisey objected to this. And Jimmy Kimmel made fun of his beliefs.

In a statement, Morrissey writes: "It is all very well for Jimmy Kimmel to 'almost break down' on live television whilst reporting the murder of Cecil The Lion, but Kimmel is also a defender of Duck Dynasty, and he is unable to spot his own hypocrisy."
http://www.u.tv/Entertainment/2015/08/0 ... ecil-42395


While I respect his stance on this, I really do, there's a very good reason why I didn't dump the Duck Dynasty guys for Morrissey,’ Jimmy said. ‘And that's because they have guns.’

He added that Morrissey ‘keeps finding ways to depress us’ before introducing a spoof clip making fun of the star’s vegetarianism by pretending to advertise products for vegetable hunters


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2286164/Jimmy-Kimmel-Morrissey-war-words-singer-cancels-appearance-chat-Duck-Dynasty-guests.html#ixzz3iGV4vFOd
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Re: Lion is shot --- hypocrisy of it

Postby Jack Monzon » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:00 pm

Jimmy Kimmels is garbage.
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Re: Lion is shot --- hypocrisy of it

Postby dailycarbs » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:01 am

PETA joins the Halloween fun with 'Cecil's Revenge' dentist-mocking costume - LA Times
http://www.latimes.com/fashion/allthera ... story.html

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Re: Lion is shot --- hypocrisy of it

Postby f1jim » Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:46 am

Jimmy Kimmels has not had the light come on in his head. I was that way for 51 years so it's easy to relate to his lack of enlightenment. He is a funny guy that has certain aspects of life yet to reveal themselves to him. Some day he may wake up and see the irony in his choices....maybe not. Very few of us were born completely aware of these things.
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Re: Lion is shot --- hypocrisy of it

Postby bbq » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:25 am

10-Year-Old Girl Slays 800-Pound Gator with Perfect Crossbow Shot

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/06/10-year-old-girl-slays-800-pound-gator-with-perfect-crossbow-shot/

Yet another Kendall Jones / Walter Palmer in the making.
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