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Rob wrote:Jeff - Thanks for keeping us updated on new studies as they become available about organic versus conventionally produced food.
Have you found any chemical residue studies on individuals who consistently consume the bulk of their diet from organic versus conventionally produced food? This would seem to be a very difficult study to conduct because the mix of food would have to be very similar, personal environmental factors (water, workplace, air, etc.) and age - to name a few important variables - would have to be controlled in the study. The introduction of genetically modified foods into the food chain in 1993 further complicate the issue.
Carroll wrote:Hmmm, I don't know, I'm feeling very suspicious of this conclusion... of course though my biggest concern with conventional is the impact to the farmers, workers in the field and children and families (my dh's whole family has a variety of cancers and talking to others it seems like a common occurrence amongst families that lived near chemically treated farms... in his case it was a rice field), not unlike why I avoid teflon even though it may not make much difference to me directly using teflon pans, so ultimately just looking at how eating a conventional versus organic apple effects me really misses the larger picture, which is much, much more worrisome ultimately, imao... however, I know in talking to various oncologists wrt to treatments and other concerns they have always expressed to me the impact would be on the cells being created in the fetus... in other words, the evidence of greatest impact of cancer causing issues or negative genetic effects would be seen in our grandchildren. The fact that this article just mentions eczema in infants drinking milk makes me suspect they are only looking at very direct immediate impact, which is not generally how these chemicals affect us, except in very extreme amounts (the fact that it is making a difference so obvious and immediate with the eczema to me is especially disconcerting!).
Also, I wonder, did they look into the impact of breast milk in this at all? I know I've seen research not only indicating a significant difference in breast milk contamination eating an organic vs conventional diet (which also makes me wonder about breast cancer in general having that stuff sitting there stored for so many years, but I'm assuming they did look at this, so good to know that's not an issue then) but that the quality of the milk was effected for the worse eating conventional. I do know eating a vegan diet made an even larger difference with contamination (one of the major reasons I'm always trying to encourage women to eat less animal products)... I don't know if there is a similar scenario with better quality milk from organic vegan vs conventional vegan mothers?... however, did they look at this at all, is the impact on babies drinking organic breast milk vs. conventional breast milk included in this?
Carroll wrote:Thanks for that info Rob.. I was just reading more about this, and yea, I'm perplexed how they were able to possibly conclude that "evidence is lacking for nutrition-related health effects that result from the consumption of organically produced foodstuffs" in that review with studies like the one you pointed to available?
.Rob wrote:Jeff - Thanks for the link to the study. It seems to confirm earlier findings from a more limited 2008 Emory University study by Chensheng Lu on organophosphates and children:
Carroll wrote:Jeff, I was wondering about the conclusion drawn by the systemic review you mentioned above... the link you provided me is just a study on adhd in children
.Rob wrote:Jeff - Thanks for the link to the study. It seems to confirm earlier findings from a more limited 2008 Emory University study by Chensheng Lu on organophosphates and children:
JeffN wrote:11) Buying locally grown produce at local farmers markets (or growing it yourself) is probably the best option available in all regards. Even cities like NY have year round open air markets that feature locally grown produce.
elgaeb051 wrote:I tend to buy organic for the most toxic veges and let it go at that.
Recently, I think it was EWG had blueberries on its list . . . I let it go but now Consumer Report mentioned, in their latest magazine to avoid blueberries and strawberries. I already avoided the strawberries, but I eat a lot of blueberries.
I was disappointed . . . organic fruit is so much more expensive.
While I understand that buying local . . . you probably get more nutrients, etc., it seems to me that one would still purchase the organic form of the most toxic as they can.
Anyway, thank to Jeff and everyone else who has contributed to this thread. I need to go back and reread it.
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GeoffreyLevens wrote:Jeff, I am forced to admit that your post above re: Dirty Dozen vs Clean 15 vs organic was a "forehead slapper" for me! Excellent.
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