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didi wrote:... Jimmy Moore is his own argument against an Atkins diet but time will tell about his "nutritional" ketosis diet. (What does nutritional ketosis mean, anyway?) Arriving at a state that resembles starvation while still eating?
f1jim wrote:With all due respect we believe the data continues to pile up showing the dangers of animal products and the increasing benefits of whole foods, plant based eating. either of us is probably going to have our minds changed by this exchange but I appreciate your expressing your views here.
f1jim
nutrition the new religion
Mark Shields wrote:Hi,
Quick intro- I'm new, and do not follow or think what this site suggests is ideal, so I will try to be polite n a house that isn't mine.
For those that are bringing up the LC or Paleo community for being overweight or whatever other critiques, is ignoring the large body of evidence of those that do well on it.
I eat the following daily: 3-9 whole eggs, beef, bacon, butter, coconut oil, along with fruits and veggies... I tend to keep carbs low and follow a mostly Paleo approach.
I'm 5'8 160 at 12% body fat, my lipid #s which many don't really know much about (LDL is a poor marker for heart health, but I digress)... my lipid panel TC 157, HDL 71, LDL 77 (more LDLa than LDLb), triglycerides 45 and an A1C in the low 5s... And, no genes are not on my side, both my parents have had heart attacks before age 50.
One thing I'd like people to focus on, is less demonizing real foods and let's focus on what has really changed in our diets and around the world, and it isn't animal products. We need to stop blaming real foods, or even macros, rather focus on the processed foods...
The podcast interview was hard to listen to, McDougal was rather disrespectful, I have never heard a vegan activist in his position come off in such a way. I can maybe understand to a degree since I'm sure he puts up with a lot from those that oppose his views, as I have been there. At the same time, not a very professional interview IMO.
Glad it was done, just wasn't very informative.
The ties that bind the government to the food industry are also shown in the massive farm subsidies we all hear so much about. By providing incentives to the producers of primarily meat and dairy products, the government enables the U.S. consumer to better afford these products. According to the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), a nonprofit organization that encourages preventive medicine, conducts clinical research, and advocates higher ethics and competence standards in research, “Between 1995 and 2004, nearly three-quarters of Farm Bill agricultural subsidies for food went for feed crops and direct aid supporting meat and dairy production. Less than half of 1 percent subsidized fruit and vegetable production.”[ 265] Using the Farm Bill subsidy numbers, the PCRM produced the image in Figure 8.1, which explains at least part of the reason salad calories cost more than hamburger calories. Our government is supporting the industries that produce the least healthy foods.
Figure 8.1 Why Does a Salad Cost More Than a Big Mac?[ 266] The PCRM goes on to report: “The Farm Bill’s skewed system of subsidies helps explain why unhealthy foods are often cheap and plentiful, while healthy foods are more expensive and less available. The priorities in the subsidy system stand in stark contrast to the federal government’s own advice on nutrition.”[ 267] As with dietary guidelines, there are a lot of politics and a lot of money involved. As Marion Nestle points out, “No matter who owns them, food companies lobby government and agencies, and they become financially enmeshed with experts on nutrition and health.
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