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Curious - Bright Line Eating & McDougalling

Postby Arlean » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:22 pm

Is there anyone here on the McDougall forums who eat the McDougall MWL plan AND adhere to Susan Peirce Thompson's Bright Line Eating?

I've been cooking all things McDougallish since the early 80's and raised our family this way. I, however, regardless to my strong beliefs in all that Dr. McDougall supports, found it impossible to do the deed for my own benefit. In the winter of 2016, at my highest ever weight, 264 lbs, I tried again and successfully lost about 50 lbs, but then gained back about 30 lbs.

Over this last Thanksgiving dinner, I overheard talk of Bright Line Eating and went home and bought the audio book. Two days later, I started BLE but I didn't take on her food plan. I used, from the first day, a McDougallish plan. (I took the Four New Food Groups as shown on the PCRM.org website and eat the minimum amounts of each food group) I've had great success with this. I've dropped 30 lbs! and I'm thrilled! In fact, for the first time EVER, I know it's possible to get down to my right size body. I've got THE perfect formula! BLE and McDougalling! WHOOTWHOOT!!!

I'm just finished with BLE Boot Camp and am looking for a community of like-minded eaters.
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Re: Curious - Bright Line Eating & McDougalling

Postby Lyndzie » Thu May 10, 2018 8:24 am

I've been thinking about this post for a couple days and I have some thoughts about it. From what I understand, Bright Line Eating seems very similar to MWL, in that you avoid refined foods (flour and sugar), and eat until comfortably full.

Ad libitum eating does not mean non-stop or mindless eating, or eating in excess. Lindsay Nixon just did a YouTube series about what she did to lose her excess weight, and had some really good points about how oil-free vegan food isn't magical and the calories don't count, because they do.

I must admit that I have had success with reaching my health goals by following this way of eating, so maybe my perspective is skewed. But I avoid most flour products, and sugar, and use the same bowl for lunch and dinner. I know the bowl holds the right amount of food to keep me full until the next meal. I fill it mostly with starch, and some veg. I aim to have 1 cup of beans throughout the day. If I get hungry between meals, some fruit or veg and hummus will tide me over.

Have you seen Dr. Lisle's lecture on the cram circuit? I have found myself in that pattern of behavior before, funnily enough, triggered by eating a way-too-large salad! The short version is that overeating can cause a conditioned response to continue eating, and I've found that to be true in my personal experience.
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Re: Curious - Bright Line Eating & McDougalling

Postby spinner » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:59 pm

Why not just follow Jeff's calorie density principles of aiming for an overall average of 550 cal per pound of food (he generously put his full length lecture on you tube; google "Jeff Novick calorie density you tube" and select the full length version). His healthy eating placemat (http://www.jeffnovick.com/RD/HealthyEatingPlate) (also here, a more detailed discussion: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=37450) is an EXCELLENT and free resource he kindly shares with us all.

I feel like we are like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz. We're wearing the ruby slippers already. We have the solution.
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Re: Curious - Bright Line Eating & McDougalling

Postby roundcoconut » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:17 pm

I wonder if it might be helpful to put posts like this into a forum called ‘Ancillary Programs’ or something.

I think that’s how it’s been handled on other plant-based boards.

Like, i think it’s true that not everyone feels the need to use a McDougall-style approach in conjuction with something ELSE, like intermittent fasting, or intuitive eating, or Bright Line Eating.

But I would bet that those who believe they DO need additional support from something else, are probably correct in their assessment. Like, do you suppose that they were thriving on a straight McDougall approach before they started exploring?!?

I think it may be like people with particular physical conditions (such as physical disease processes or food allergies) who simply need additional refinements particular to their condition. I may not need to avoid tomatoes, but if they make your autoimmune condition flare up horribly, then it would seem weird for people to gang up on that person, and be like, “The regular program works just fine! Just stick with it! You don’t need additional refinements.”

People who have deeply ingrained food patterns around binge eating have a bit of an addiction to the act of overeating. A person who overeats in a snowball pattern —they kinda pick up speed as they go, rather than be like “the first piece of bread felt really great, and now I’ll stop, thanks”. With binge eaters, the snacking on one slice of bread, may lead to two more slices of bread, and then they’re rummaging around for even MORE food to eat, whether that’s on- or off-plan food.

So, in some ways, I believe there is a behavioral disease process with a person who has binge eating in their past, and some additional supports can be helpful. BLE isn’t my thing, but neither is Alcoholics Anonymous. But just because I would never binge on alcohol doesn’t mean I should encourage alcoholics to keep alcohol in the house, or to tell them that they could work around alcohol on a daily basis, just because I can do so (in bars and restaurats).

It just seems weird to say, “Hey, why don’t we just leave your binge patterns unaddressed?” It wouldn’t really address the underlying behavioral problem. The underlying behavarioal pattern, really is that there are people who are somewhat addicted to stuffing themselves, or somewhat compulsive (at times) about eating past full and that’s one thing that needs to be brought back into line (through abstaining from binges).

Changing the foods we eat is the ONLY fix a person needs, when the only problem is that they are choosing the wrong foods.

When there is an additional problem, people often seek an additional way to address that. :)
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Re: Curious - Bright Line Eating & McDougalling

Postby Lyndzie » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:24 pm

Roundcoconut - I’m not familiar with other boards, but I feel like the McDougall program really covers about everything already as is.

For instance, ad libitum eating is not over eating, which is obviously happeneing if someone is not maintaining a healthy weight. It’s about finding the right balance of starch with other foods in an appropriate quantity to stay satiated. A couch potato eating 10 lbs of potatoes a day is probably not going to maintain an ideal weight. Likewise, the same person eating 10 lbs of salad is going to be freaking hungry while simultaniously stuffed.

I think these other programs over-complicate the message and distract from what people really need to do, which is eat starch with some other fruits and veg, then tweak the proportions to get the results you are looking for. If you continue to not have success, a consult with Jeff is worth every penny.

There might be specific advice for people who have binge eating disorders, or have MS, but those are really specific health concerns, and that all falls under the Health Issues category. While those other programs are interesting, this forum needs to have the clear focus to help people resolve their health issues. Weight is just one biometric, and the other markers should be looked at as well to see if the program is working for someone.
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Re: Curious - Bright Line Eating & McDougalling

Postby landog » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:17 pm

Lyndzie wrote:Roundcoconut - I’m not familiar with other boards, but I feel like the McDougall program really covers about everything already as is.


I fully agree with Lyndzie. The McDougall program has enjoyed decades of success for a reason. It's based on sound nutritional and medical science. It works.

There is more than a decade of posts here in support of finding a tweak here or there for an individual's particular implementation.

Dr. McDougall, Doug Lisle, Jeff Novick and Dr. Lim are the 'A' team. What more do you need?

When you go outside of their direction, you can easily wander off plan and fail.
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Re: Curious - Bright Line Eating & McDougalling

Postby landog » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:23 pm

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Re: Curious - Bright Line Eating & McDougalling

Postby frozenveg » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:32 pm

I agree! We are, each of us, the product of what we have done up until now, and will progress with what we find in the future. To succeed, each of us will bring our experience and knowledge that we have so far gathered, to make this way of eating work.

I came to mcDougalling after years of dieting, including two Weight Watchers stints, six or seven months on Fit for Life, the and Pritikin (having read the books), and several months of the South Beach Diet. All of the meetings, reading, effort, and advice, contributed to my McDougall efforts. I had to embrace some of what I’d learned and reject other stuff. But it all combined to my efforts—and my success. I can’t reject other folks’ methods of discipline for no good reason, even if other folks don’t need it.
5'3", 74 YO. Started Jan. 11, 2010
Starting weight: 222.6
Current weight: 148.2.0


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Re: Curious - Bright Line Eating & McDougalling

Postby viv » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:25 pm

One of the reasons why the McDougall Diet has worked for me is the flexibility within the structure of starch based eating. If you have your own idiosyncratic "rules" to stay compliant well go ahead. So in my mind WHAT we eat has very specific guidelines, but HOW and WHEN we eat can be as flexible as you like.
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