JeffN wrote:Bougainvillea wrote:Thanks for the link to Jeff Novak's summary of the MWL guidelines, Amy. Yes, I did see it. It's too restrictive for me right now. Especially the reference to "it's okay to be hungry." Uh - no. That will not work for me. Might as well be on Weight Watchers. I need something that will work forever, and that means not being hungry. At least for me. I know that's just one of many guidelines, but that's the one that tries to make me give up.
Just to clarify...
One of the basic principles of the McDougall Program is that you don't ever have to go hungry, EVER!
My post was not about my guidelines and recommendations or about my summary of the guidelines/recommendations of Dr McDougall's MWL program, but about some refinements that Dr McDougall himself made to the McDougall Maximum Weight Loss Program, which is what he recommends for those wanting to lose weight. The 11 points are only an Table of Contents and the post recommends that you clink on the link to read the full description. When you do for the one about hunger, which is the last one, you find this....
It’s OK to be Hungry:
Sometimes you will find yourself in a situation where there is no healthy food available – like when you are out shopping, at a party, or dining with friends. You don’t have to eat. No harm will be done. You won’t starve to death by waiting a few hours until something healthy is available. Delaying gratification is the smart thing to do and when you do finally eat the right foods they will taste extra delicious.
Program Protocol: No one went hungry during the 10 days with us. One of the lessons of our program was successfully taught – “You can eat as much as you want of delicious foods and lose weight.”
Practical Tips for Home Compliance: After leaving the program, people will not have multiple-course meals served to them 3 times a day with snacks mid-morning and mid-afternoon – and thus, they are expected to lose even more briskly at home. If you get stuck with nothing healthy to eat, your best choice in most cases is to go hungry – when you finally do eat, the foods will be even more delicious than usual.
Elsewhere in the Newsletter, you find the following three comments by Dr McDougall
“Our guests never suffered a moment of hunger and they thoroughly enjoyed the tastes of the meals we served to them. That was obvious; they ate 2, 3, 4 and more servings at each meal.”
“Starches are low in calories (calorie dilute), low in fat (the fat you eat is the fat you wear) and high in carbohydrate (which satisfies the hunger drive). Most importantly, there are sufficient calories in starches to meet your needs for energy and to satisfy your powerful hunger drive.”
“However, be careful that you do not eat so many of these low-calorie vegetable foods that your meals are no longer enjoyable and satisfying for your hunger drive. You need the starchy selections for sustaining satisfaction.”As you can see, the basic guidelines are to not go hungry and the comment about "it is ok to be hungry" was only in reference to
most cases and
when they were nothing else to eat. So, if your only option was fried chicken (which I don't think you have faced yet), then Dr McDougall's recommendation was that you might be better off going hungry then eating the fried chicken.
Part of the reason I posted those refinements was to clarify what Dr McDougall was recommending vs other "hacks" out there being recommended as part of his program, most of which will result in you being hungry.
Now, if you would like to know my specific guidelines, just walk on over to my forum and you will find them clearly laid out here...
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=37450#p442418And, when you go there, you will find this as my number one guideline ...
1) Hunger & Satiety - Whenever hungry, eat until you are comfortably full. Don't starve and don't stuff yourself.So, there you have it.
A few months ago, I was swamped with emails because someone sent out a newsletter saying that my recommendation to them in how to lose weight was to "eat less."
This is my 30th year of teaching this publicly and professionally and I have never, ever told anyone to eat less, ever. In fact, the point i make in my presentations, over and over, is that by following my recommendations, you can eat about 67% more food if you keep the calories the same, or you can eat about 33% more food while consuming about 33% less calories. In both cases, you are eating more, not less. I also searched and searched all my old files, all my old websites, all my emails and messages with the person, did google searches and used the Wayback Machine and couldn't find my saying "eat less" ever.
But, this is what happens with misunderstandings or when things are taken out of context or seem out of context.
I have always said, time and adherence at the two most important principles. I think I will add a third. Time, adherence and PUA (proper understanding and application).
Good luck with your weight loss journey and let me know if I can be of help.
In heath
Jeff
PS excuse my intrusion in the group but understanding this hunger issue is so important to success.
and I am. 
