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Skip wrote:Debbie wrote:Skip wrote:
It comes from True North docs and some others who advocate it.......
I'm not trying to make this diet harder for anyone by asking this question... I'm just curious
Hi. I don't think she meant you making anything more difficult. I think just the idea. There seems a large push lately to omit salt and sugar, and for some, it may be beneficial. But not for everyone and for others, it cam make it really hard. The McDougall plan just makes it all so easy.
The idea that one would totally give up on the McDougall way of eating because they tried being SOS free (not part of the McDougall plan) and found it difficult makes no sense to me. To me, it's taking the McDougall plan to the "next level" of health which is hard to achieve.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfzzvyWNcLU&t=0m37s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCrEAxRGJCw&t=2m11s
Debbie wrote:Over time many just use less and less and some stop altogether without any extra effort or worry. They just stop eating it without having "rules" for it.
Skip wrote:Debbie wrote:Over time many just use less and less and some stop altogether without any extra effort or worry. They just stop eating it without having "rules" for it.
What if over time someone uses more and more sugar/salt? So much that they become hypertensive and/or overweight? A person like that might benefit from a lower SOS consumption (perhaps not SOS free, but lower). Maybe this doesn't occur much, I really don't know.
Debbie wrote:Then they wouldn't really be eating McDougall then, would they? Dr. McDougall's recommendations are sprinkling a little on the surface of food. I'm not sure how that equates to using more and more over time so that they end up being overweight while still being within the guidelines.
Skip wrote:
I love dates, but they are expensive perhaps $5 to $8 per pound. So when cooking my oatmeal (steel cut oats), I might add 4 dates to a cup of oatmeal (good for about 3 servings for me) which certainly raises the caloric density of the oatmeal but I don't sprinkle any sugar on the oatmeal either. However, I typically eat a banana and an orange with the oatmeal. So I love me some sugar....
To save some money, I bought some brown sugar as a substitute for the dates. I might use a teaspoon or two while cooking the oatmeal (which is not recommended by the plan) and then sprinkle a little sugar on the surface of the oatmeal. I eat my oatmeal in layers so after I have consumed my first layer of oatmeal, I repeat by sprinkling more sugar on the next layer of oatmeal. I would estimate that I eat 3 layers of oatmeal so those little sprinkles can add up. Perhaps I am eating to much sugar and I might train my tastes to be sugar free when I eat oatmeal. I'm maintaining a healthy weight so I'm not that worried but perhaps I could even be healthier without any of the added sugar.
Yes, I agree that I go "off plan" but I'm sure a lot of people do. We are not all perfect McDougallers
Debbie wrote: But 1 cup of oats is not a lot to have over 3 servings.
Debbie wrote:I hope you're not lumping fruit with sugar, they are not the same.
JeffN wrote:
Many, if not most of the other TrueNorth docs do not promote it or follow it. Dr Lisle doesn't (just see his Continuum of Evil). Dr Klaper doesn't (just watch his video on Salt Sugar and Oil) where he uses my guidelines.
In Health
Jeff
Skip wrote:After taking dates and grinding them up in a vitamix, I do lump them up with sugar because I have ground up a lot of the fiber. Granted the dates have more nutritional value like a good source of potassium. However, it seems that the more you process the fruit by grinding it up, the more caloric density you have created which gets it closer to being like sugar. The same logic goes for eating raw fruit vs fruit ground up as a smoothie.
John McDougall wrote:I have held a similar concern about too low salt diets.
See my August 2008 newsletter: https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2008nl/aug/salt.htm
John McDougall, MD
daniel121 wrote:I agree that oil and refined sugar are not necessary and are better to eliminate or eat very little of, but I completely disagree about salt. I think limiting salt is completely unnecessary for most and possibly even dangerous for some.
daniel121 wrote: I think 1000-1500mg of sodium is the minimum that I need.
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