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Re: Plant Fit Summit

Postby gracezw » Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:50 pm

Thank you again to Kaye and colonyofcells for the great reporting! I plan to buy the package and take my time to watch and share with my families.
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Re: Plant Fit Summit

Postby human vegetable » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:56 pm

Thanks for the links! As I'm into fitness, I will definitely watch some of the upcoming clips.

However, I wouldn't shell any money on those: I've already watched the clips by the butcher-turned-vegan-bodybuilder from the first day, and by Robert Cheeke on day two. Verdict: While both contained some tidbits of interesting info (colonyofcells managed to sum up Robert's clip in a single sentence above), they actually do not deserve to be called presentations. Obviously, the speakers did not prepare anything, but were rather just being interviewed by the guys staging the summit, or rambling on their spontaneous associations. Also, there weren't any visuals or references.

Don't misunderstand me - for free, these clips are great, and they do provide some motivation and insight. But I don't think the quality is high enough to justify financiaal expenses. Well, maybe I just watched the wrong clips...
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Re: Plant Fit Summit

Postby colonyofcells » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:46 am

For day 4, Crissi Carvalho is promoting unrefined foods like rice, oats, sweet potato, potato, beans and fruits. Dr Mcdougall does not recommend smoothies.
Derek Tresize and Marcella Torres shared tips on preparation for pregnancy, pregnancy, nursing, raising vegan kids. Their diet is very close to a dr mcdougall diet : 15% fat, 15% protein, 70% carb.
The brothers Shukul Kachwalla and Shamiz Kachwalla specialize in using high carb unrefined vegan diet to reverse digestive diseases like colitis. They look like the super mario brothers of the vegan world. They were converted by the raw vegan diet of a hygienic practitioner (natural hygiene movement and their water only fasting also influenced Dr Bill Harris, Dr Joel Fuhrman, chiropractor Alan Goldhamer). The brothers do promote some cooked foods like tubers and winter squash.
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Re: Plant Fit Summit

Postby colonyofcells » Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:32 am

For sep 5, the father of Dr Renae Thomas had cancer and was influenced by the usual juicing and blending of the raw vegans, and her father also used conventional treatment.
Silke Bender gave tips on yoga, exercise and recovery from injury. Promotes smoothies that Dr Mcdougall does not recommend.
Jeremy Evans says common allergens are soy and nuts.
David Cordtz put a prediabetic client on a plant based diet and the client gravitated towards eating mostly rice and banana and fruits which is sort of similar to the old rice and fruit diet of Dr Walter Kempner.
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Re: Plant Fit Summit

Postby calvin » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:02 pm

Would-be nutritionist Jeremy Evans also says, when asked, that his "go to" energy snack of choice is nuts.

Early in my journey to learn about the biophysiology of human nutrition, when, in my naive youth, I was running the annual L.A. marathon, would I have reached for a handful of fat in hopes of not hitting the wall at mile nineteen? That would be a definite NO. Do even UltraDistance runners get far enough into a state of ketosis DURING the run such that dietary fat would be appropriate/beneficial? I doubt it.

Are nuts EVER a good choice for "instant energy" for Anyone Anytime? No.
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Re: Plant Fit Summit

Postby bbq » Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:36 am

Now they're "pushing" this stuff for free as a bonus, it sounds more like "Plant Fat Summit" to me:

https://www.amazon.com/Skinny-Soy-Marie-Oser-ebook/dp/B01MG6FEVU

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7ypSGA96A6HSV9IeU1zS3hXVmc/view?usp=sharing

Avoid Soy because you've heard it will increase estrogen?
http://cdn.springboardplatform.com/storage/vegtv.com/conversion/1682225_1.mp4

Asians do not eat much soy?....The skinny on soy
http://cdn.springboardplatform.com/storage/vegtv.com/conversion/1677759_1.mp4

Soy causes feminization?
http://cdn.springboardplatform.com/storage/vegtv.com/conversion/1679339_1.mp4

Does soy affect the thyroid?
http://cdn.springboardplatform.com/storage/vegtv.com/conversion/1676705_1.mp4

Marie chats with Dr Michael Greger about soy
http://cdn.springboardplatform.com/storage/vegtv.com/conversion/1696389_1.mp4

Marie chats with Dr Michael Klaper about soy
http://cdn.springboardplatform.com/storage/vegtv.com/conversion/1697151_1.mp4

Marie Oser and Dr. Don talk about her book, “The Skinny on Soy”
http://files.thedrdonshow.com/audio/rawshows/2017/01-11-2017 PartOne Dr Don with Marie Oser, the Veggie Chef, dicuss the skinny on soy.mp3
http://files.thedrdonshow.com/audio/rawshows/2017/01-11-2017 Part-Two The skinny on soy.mp3
http://files.thedrdonshow.com/audio/rawshows/2017/01-11-2017 Part Three The skinny on soy.mp3
http://files.thedrdonshow.com/audio/rawshows/2017/01-11-2017 Part Four The skinny on soy.mp3

The Skinny on Soy + Feeding the Hungry Vegan-Style
http://cdn.unity.fm/MainStreetVegan/MainStreetVegan_122116.mp3

Marie Oser, author of The Skinny on Soy, debunks anti-soy myths and shares information on the health benefits of consuming soyfoods.
http://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/295579262-user-325033841-ep-68-marie-oser.mp3

Sid gets to the bottom of the soy issue with best-selling author Marie Oser, author of “The Skinny on Soy.”
http://traffic.libsyn.com/approachingthenatural/AtN_Podcast_170__Marie_Oser_Interview.mp3

My Interview with Marie Oser, Author of The Skinny on Soy
http://ieatgreen.podbean.com/mf/web/iexxip/iEatGreen_120116.mp3
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Re: Plant Fit Summit

Postby colonyofcells » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:14 am

Soy is high in fat altho a small amount is allowed in the regular diet. Marie Oser is correct that asians eat plenty of soy foods. When I was a kid, I drank plenty of soy milk, ate sweetened soft tofu for snacks, ate lots of tofu and yuba. Our home was just a few steps away from a Taoist vegan restaurant which used lots of soy products and my protestant mother liked to hang out there for the whole day to chat with the taoist owners and when they closed for the day, they would give my mother some of the food they could not sell.
Korin Sutton seems overconsuming on protein and Dr Mcdougall does not recommend refined protein like seitan (refined wheat protein).
Brayden Green promotes smoothies and protein powder which are not recommended by Dr McDougall.
On the run, Amanda Meggison carries dates, walnut and potato. I heard the tarahumara indians carry nixtamalized corn when they are on the run for several days straight. I wonder if carrying corn tortillas is popular with runners as food on the run. Dr Greger does not recommend yerba mate and spirulina, and also warns about overdosing on turmeric. Coconut milk is not allowed in the Dr mcdougall diet.
Anna Crisholm gave tips on how to start on unrefined vegan diet with b12 supplement.
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Re: Plant Fit Summit

Postby smudgemom » Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:33 pm

gracezw wrote:Thank you again to Kaye and colonyofcells for the great reporting! I plan to buy the package and take my time to watch and share with my families.


I have to thank both of you, as well! It's nice to get a quick summary, especially since many of us don't have 3+hrs each day to devote listening to all the speakers. Must appreciated!
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Re: Plant Fit Summit

Postby colonyofcells » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:28 pm

All the recipes of Darshana Thacker do not use oil.
Matthias Kegelmann gave exercise tips. Dr mcdougall diet does not allow refined protein substances like seitan which are not even real food.
Vlad Ixel is a runner who seems to love coconut oil. Oil is not allowed in the Dr Mcdougall diet. Mushrooms should be cooked. He recommends the simplest running shoes. The internet is also selling tarahumara sandals (similar to what the tarahumara indians use which is quite similar to the sandals used by gladiators).
Dani Taylor and Giacomo Marchese have a web store selling refined protein powders and supplements which are not recommended in the Dr Mcdougall diet (only vitamin b12 is recommended).
Anastasia Zinchenko gave tips about weightlifting. She promotes eating both whole grains and beans in the same day to get enough protein. Based on interviews, my impression is Dr Mcdougall and his children frequently eat rice and beans.
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Re: Plant Fit Summit

Postby VeggieSue » Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:18 am

colonyofcells wrote: Dr mcdougall diet does not allow refined protein substances like seitan which are not even real food.



Seitan is allowed, but because it's high in protein it's restricted, like beans, to just a small portion daily.
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Re: Plant Fit Summit

Postby colonyofcells » Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:16 am

Based on the color picture book, all types of refined protein are not allowed: soy protein (isolated soy protein), wheat protein (seitan), pea protein, rice protein, etc. There are at least 3 recent youtube interviews where Dr Mcdougall says both isolated soy protein and seitan are not allowed. Refined carbs are allowed as a compromise but not recommended.
Sep 8 :
Emilie Tan tried a raw vegan diet for a short time and lost her menstruation (probably did not get enough calories) and recovered after switching to cooked food vegan. Gave tips on preparing for pregnancy, pregnancy, nursing. There are probably some differences with the pregnancy advice of Dr McDougall. I am chinese and I am pretty sure TCM (traditional chinese medicine) has lots of superstition and pseudoscience, and I worked in Singapore for 3 years.
Billy Simmonds gave some business tips.
David Goldman used to work in Truenorth Health Center and promotes eating every other day. Dr Mcdougall recommends maximum 1 cup cooked per day of beans, peas and lentils to avoid too much protein. Dr Greger does not recommend spirulina. He says eating fewer times a day is better for losing weight which is in agreement with Dr McDougall. Currently, I eat only 2x a day. He says exercise is not effective for weight loss but can be used for weight maintenance. Overdosing on whole reishi mushroom powder can be dangerous.
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Re: Plant Fit Summit

Postby VeggieSue » Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:50 am

colonyofcells wrote:Based on the color picture book, all types of refined protein are not allowed: soy protein (isolated soy protein), wheat protein (seitan), pea protein, rice protein, etc. There are at least 3 recent youtube interviews where Dr Mcdougall says both isolated soy protein and seitan are not allowed.


The book everyone is now pointing to as the one to use to learn the McDougall way of eating, The Starch Solution, page (Argh! My hard cover is loaned out, but in Kindle for it's location 5044), in the recipe Pumpkin Stew in A Pumpkin, it calls for seitan, even mentioning it's sold in natural food stores. I know it's been an ingredient in Mary's recipes for years.

When I read the remark in the Color Picture Book, I took it to mean the isolated proteins like those used in protein drinks, especially when he lumped it in with pea protein. He does not mention seitan specifically. Which YouTube videos are seitan or vital wheat gluten mentioned?

Seitan is made from flour that has had the starch washed out of it - it's not a chemically extracted item. You can make it in your own kitchen! Here are directions for making your own seitan using just flour and water: https://eatingrules.com/how-to-make-seitan/

I know Dr. McD has mentioned people who have a proven gluten sensitivity (which he says is rare) or celiac have to avoid it, but otherwise I haven't heard him outright outlaw it.
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Re: Plant Fit Summit

Postby colonyofcells » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:23 am

In this cancer video, Dr McDougall says refined wheat protein (seitan) is quite harmful (in the first part, after 3/4 of video) :
first part :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0ymU0NpDO8
second part with questions and answers :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwT_lE2PFYQ
Dr Mcdougall says refined proteins are hard on the kidneys and liver, causing stones.
The picture book does mention refined wheat protein, refined pea protein, refined fungi protein (like quorn) etc. are all not allowed. Refined protein that you can easily make at home such as seitan is still refined protein. I can also easily obtain peanut oil from my home peanut butter but oil is still oil. There are also some brands of tofu made from isolated soy protein which are not allowed.
There are around 2 more recent webinars where Dr Mcdougall says not to eat isolated soy protein and seitan.
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Re: Plant Fit Summit

Postby colonyofcells » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:48 pm

sep 9 :
Ellen Jaffe Jones talked mostly about cancer prevention.
Geoff Palmer, Jillian and Paul Salomone, all promoted supplements and 1 guy even mentioned that T Colin Campbell does not recommend supplements except for b12.
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Re: Plant Fit Summit

Postby VeggieSue » Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:59 am

colonyofcells wrote:In this cancer video, Dr McDougall says refined wheat protein (seitan) is quite harmful


Perhaps this is another case of Mary - who writes the recipes - is more liberal than her husband, like with the use of sesame oil as a flavoring in a few recipes.

The point is moot in our house, anyway, since I developed a gluten intolerance that aggravated my RA and can't even use curry powder without pain.

Thanks for the video links - I hadn't seen that interview.
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