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petmomful wrote:Because I have been facing, and thinking about, some real abuse by doctors, I have been wondering when and how they went so terribly wrong. How did they go from the Hippocratic Oath, and, "Let food be thy medicine," to just handing out pills, with no worries about the long term effects of these drugs? When did they start thinking they were gods that we were supposed to just obey, and not question? When did they decide that they did not have to give us ALL the facts, and let US decide which course of action we would prefer to take? When did they decide that we were not even worth listening to, that we could not make decisions on our health, and what we had already been thru was not important, even tho we are PAYING them? Was it when natural healers or "witches" were being burned at the stake? Were religious convictions involved, thinking that witches were in cahoots with the devil? Was it when Big Pharma got too involved? How in the heck did things get so screwed up, that diet is not even asked about, by doctors? How did our society get so blase about their health? These are the things that keep me up at night right now.
petmomful wrote:But people not like us are in a worse quandary. They listen to the doctor, no matter what, and think they are doing what is best. So they end up on tons of drugs, surgery, tests, etc, and are still sick their whole lives. They think it is just bad luck, or getting older. They might never know that a lot of what they went thru, and paid for, was preventable and unnecessary. This is a horrible thing to think about. When I look at what some of my friends as seniors are going thru, it is frightening. I have relatives and friends that are missing a breast, on tons of medications, overweight, having heart attacks, strokes, dementia, etc.
Why add additional restrictions? There's no evidence that eliminating fat (oil) will result in better health. Doing so could result in worse health.
judynew wrote:Very interesting topic, particularly since most doctors probably go into medicine with the very best of intentions, wanting to make people well.
There have been lots of influences on the western medical system but one of the big ones was John D. Rockefeller. In the late 1800's, John D realized that there was money to be made from pharmaceuticals and, to make sure he made money, he started donating large sums to medical schools and dictating their courses of study. There would be no more homeopathic or natural remedies. Western medicine would focus on John D's medicines. Of course, he was not alone in this. There were other money grubbing "philanthropists" doing the same.
judynew wrote:Very interesting topic, particularly since most doctors probably go into medicine with the very best of intentions, wanting to make people well.
There have been lots of influences on the western medical system but one of the big ones was John D. Rockefeller. In the late 1800's, John D realized that there was money to be made from pharmaceuticals and, to make sure he made money, he started donating large sums to medical schools and dictating their courses of study. There would be no more homeopathic or natural remedies. Western medicine would focus on John D's medicines. Of course, he was not alone in this. There were other money grubbing "philanthropists" doing the same.
Spiral wrote:I have recently become more familiar with Vegan dietician Virginia Messina, who is an animal rights activist. I think her attitude towards the whole foods plant based diet (ala Esselstyn and McDougall) is illuminating, even though animal rights activists are a tiny minority of the population.
Her criticism of McDougall diets and Esselstyn diets, diets that not only exclude animal based foods but also vegetable oils and vegan junk food, is essentially this:Why add additional restrictions? There's no evidence that eliminating fat (oil) will result in better health. Doing so could result in worse health.
So, there are two arguments here, one is a question of where the science stands on vegan junk food versus whole plant foods and another is a variant on the standard, "We all die eventually. Why not enjoy the sugary, fatty, salty foods?" argument we here so often.
https://cspcs.sanford.duke.edu/sites/default/files/descriptive/flexner_report.pdf#page=3 wrote:Ironically, Flexner's report had the effect of deterring Carnegie from focusing his own philanthropic resources on reform of medical education. After learning of the report's findings,. Carnegie told Flexner, “[y]ou have proved that medical education is a business. I will not endow any other man's business.” Until Carnegie's death, virtually no support for medical education reform came from Carnegie philanthropies.
http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ExpertInterviewTranscripts/InterviewEllenBrown.pdf wrote:EB: Well, the drug connection… In the 19th century, John D. Rockefeller’s father was actually, literally, a snake-oil salesman.
DM:[Laughs]
EB:He was a patent remedy seller. The drugs, of course, are oil-based, and John D. Rockefeller was an oil magnate. He also had a bank.
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