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Re: Acc to this book, I'm going to die from lectin poisoning

Postby bbq » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:01 am

How To Spot a Quack Health Site: Red Flag #1, Primary Goal Is Selling Supplements
https://theskepticalcardiologist.com/2017/01/15/how-to-spot-a-quack-health-site-red-flag-1-primary-goal-is-selling-supplements/

BBB Business Profile | Gundry MD | Reviews and Complaints
https://www.bbb.org/losangelessiliconvalley/business-reviews/health-and-wellness/gundry-md-in-beverly-hills-ca-645924/reviews-and-complaints

What's your opinion of Dr Gundry?
https://www.reddit.com/r/nutrition/comments/54a8yq/whats_your_opinion_of_dr_gundry/

Dr. Steven Gundry – Dirty Scam
https://dirtyscam.com/reviews/dr-steven-gundry/

Holobiotics? That's a good one and I just couldn't stop laughing. Gundry should be right up there with "doctors" Salim Yusuf as well as Mehmet Oz since they're all cardiologists of some sort.
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Re: Acc to this book, I'm going to die from lectin poisoning

Postby StarchHEFP » Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:34 am

BBQ thanks for posting! I had no idea he was such a scammer. Why do doctors like that get all the publicity? Really, telling people to not eat fruits, veggies and legumes, how sad. I met an "integrative doctor" a few days ago who was enamored by this book. So it goes to show that even health professionals can be duped! What's unbelievable, is the number of positive reviews of this book. Are people just completely ignorant?
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Re: Acc to this book, I'm going to die from lectin poisoning

Postby vgpedlr » Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:53 am

It's the Taubes formula in action.

Step 1: Create Conflict
Take some accepted notion and turn it on its head. Cherry pick your studies and mix with obscure bits of biochem nobody understands but sounds impressive.

Step 2: Sell It
After creating a problem, sell the solution.

Step 3: Laugh All The Way to the Bank
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Re: Acc to this book, I'm going to die from lectin poisoning

Postby StarchHEFP » Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:04 am

What an amazing discussion in the current newsletter about lectins! I think I might send the good integrative doctor the article:
https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2017nl/may/lectins.htm
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Re: Acc to this book, I'm going to die from lectin poisoning

Postby StarchHEFP » Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:09 am

I've never seen a funnier reference in any article anywhere, but in the May newsletter by Dr. McDougall in which he discusses lectins, is this reference. My boys would have a field day with this article discussing all the synonym expressions for the passing of the flatus:
http://www.sillyjokes.co.uk/fart-dictionary
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Re: Acc to this book, I'm going to die from lectin poisoning

Postby patty » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:55 am

I too think my grandsons would enjoy Dr. McDougall's Newsletter:) In Japan sneezing is what is (not sure this is the correct word) offending.

Aloha, patty
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Re: Acc to this book, I'm going to die from lectin poisoning

Postby Bkworm » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:51 pm

So glad to find this discussion. Have a friend who keeps sending me info about this book. She is currently in the middle of changing over to the Plant Paradox way of eating. Debated whether to send her the link to Dr. McDougall's newsletter. Was so glad to read what Dr. McDougall has to say about lectins. I put the book on hold at the library just so I could say I checked into the plan. Have absolutely no plans to change from WFPB way of eating. Doubt I can bring myself to even read it.

As soon as I figured out that Dr.Gundry was promoting supplements, knew it was a hoax thanks to Dr. McDougall. Have been in contact with my friend the entire time I have been following Dr. McDougall's Starch Solution and FOKs. She knows about all the improvements in my health over the past 4 and a half years. Yet, instead of following the SS or WFPB plan, she decides to follow Dr. Gundry. I just don't get it. She also has some serious health issues she is dealing with - not the typical heart disease, diabetes, etc. but some other issues.

My friend send me a link to a YouTube video of Dr. Gundry discussing the Plant Paradox book and lectin. I could not make myself watch it all the way through. The man comes across so insincere and condescending. Here is that link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luna9RQsL1E

What really concerns me is a copy of a page my friend sent from the Plant Paradox in which a woman who supposedly was following Dr. McDougall for years with no real results changed to Plant Paradox and has been cured. I pointed out that from what the woman had to say about how she was eating, she was not following Dr. McDougall's SS. She was doing her own thing so no wonder she was not cured.

Don't want to end our friendship so trying to bit my tongue and not just go off on Dr. Gundry and why he is a fraud. If my friend can't see all the improvements in my health, nothing I can say will change her mind. From what I can gather so far, her diet is very restrictied now. Basically, she does not agree with completely eliminating meat, dairy, etc. But now she will restrict her diet for Plant Paradox. Go figure.
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Re: Acc to this book, I'm going to die from lectin poisoning

Postby Spiral » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:28 pm

Bkworm wrote:So glad to find this discussion. Have a friend who keeps sending me info about this book. She is currently in the middle of changing over to the Plant Paradox way of eating. Debated whether to send her the link to Dr. McDougall's newsletter. Was so glad to read what Dr. McDougall has to say about lectins. I put the book on hold at the library just so I could say I checked into the plan. Have absolutely no plans to change from WFPB way of eating. Doubt I can bring myself to even read it.

As soon as I figured out that Dr.Gundry was promoting supplements, knew it was a hoax thanks to Dr. McDougall. Have been in contact with my friend the entire time I have been following Dr. McDougall's Starch Solution and FOKs. She knows about all the improvements in my health over the past 4 and a half years. Yet, instead of following the SS or WFPB plan, she decides to follow Dr. Gundry. I just don't get it. She also has some serious health issues she is dealing with - not the typical heart disease, diabetes, etc. but some other issues.

My friend send me a link to a YouTube video of Dr. Gundry discussing the Plant Paradox book and lectin. I could not make myself watch it all the way through. The man comes across so insincere and condescending. Here is that link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luna9RQsL1E

What really concerns me is a copy of a page my friend sent from the Plant Paradox in which a woman who supposedly was following Dr. McDougall for years with no real results changed to Plant Paradox and has been cured. I pointed out that from what the woman had to say about how she was eating, she was not following Dr. McDougall's SS. She was doing her own thing so no wonder she was not cured.

Don't want to end our friendship so trying to bit my tongue and not just go off on Dr. Gundry and why he is a fraud. If my friend can't see all the improvements in my health, nothing I can say will change her mind. From what I can gather so far, her diet is very restrictied now. Basically, she does not agree with completely eliminating meat, dairy, etc. But now she will restrict her diet for Plant Paradox. Go figure.

I understand that it can be hard to not rebut everything your friend says.

But you should just say, "It sounds like you and I are participants in a clinical trial. You have been assigned to the Plant Paradox diet. I have been assigned to the McDougall diet. In 20 years we'll find out which diet is better." And then just laugh.
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Re: Acc to this book, I'm going to die from lectin poisoning

Postby StarchHEFP » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:38 pm

But you should just say, "It sounds like you and I are participants in a clinical trial. You have been assigned to the Plant Paradox diet. I have been assigned to the McDougall diet. In 20 years we'll find out which diet is better." And then just laugh.


Spiral,

What great advice! Sometimes we just have to be present for our friends, and keep our mouths shut. Hopefully those fad diets will be recognized as such eventually. Plant-based is far from a passing fad, as it keeps coming up from time to time, for the past few thousands of years! Truth speaks for itself.
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Re: Acc to this book, I'm going to die from lectin poisoning

Postby Spiral » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:46 pm

StarchHEFP wrote:
But you should just say, "It sounds like you and I are participants in a clinical trial. You have been assigned to the Plant Paradox diet. I have been assigned to the McDougall diet. In 20 years we'll find out which diet is better." And then just laugh.


Spiral,

What great advice! Sometimes we just have to be present for our friends, and keep our mouths shut. Hopefully those fad diets will be recognized as such eventually. Plant-based is far from a passing fad, as it keeps coming up from time to time, for the past few thousands of years! Truth speaks for itself.

Like almost everyone who posts in this forum, I've given this a lot of thought.

I figure that if someone eats 3 eggs fried in bacon grease each day (as a few members of my family supposedly do) and eats lots of grass fed beef cooked in butter, yet they aren't running into any significant health problems, what kind of problem would I be trying to solve by telling them to go on the McDougall diet?

Anticipating the answers (ethical issues with eating meat, dairy and eggs; hidden health problems that can kill someone instantly, like a heart attack; damage to ones health that accumulates over time without one realizing it), I know this doesn't put the issue to bed completely. But there is a limit to what each of us can do. It's frustrating, "waiting for the world to change," as one musician sang a few years ago.
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Re: Acc to this book, I'm going to die from lectin poisoning

Postby bbq » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:46 pm

Dr. Gundry's The Plant Paradox is Wrong
A book purported to expose the “hidden dangers’ in healthy foods doesn’t even pass the whiff test.
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/dr-gundrys-the-plant-paradox-is-wrong/
https://nutritionfacts.org/app/uploads/2017/09/Dr.-Gundrys-The-Plant-Paradox-is-Wrong.mp4

How to Avoid Lectin Poisoning
https://nutritionfacts.org/app/uploads/2017/09/How-to-Avoid-Lectin-Poisoning.mp4

Are Lectins in Food Good or Bad for You?
https://nutritionfacts.org/app/uploads/2017/09/Are-Lectins-in-Food-Good-or-Bad-for-You_.mp4

What a laughing stock and a half:

https://www.harpercollins.com/9780062427137/the-plant-paradox

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Pioneer?

Eye-opening?

PLEASE.
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Re: Acc to this book, I'm going to die from lectin poisoning

Postby StarchHEFP » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:54 pm

Thanks! Watching it right now. Of course, no crazy book comes without an endorsement from Dr. Oz! :roll:
Eye opening because you have to open your eyes to roll them.

I did run into a private practice "integrative doctor" who swears by this book and it's his bible now.
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Re: Acc to this book, I'm going to die from lectin poisoning

Postby roundcoconut » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:40 pm

Spiral wrote:But you should just say, "It sounds like you and I are participants in a clinical trial. You have been assigned to the Plant Paradox diet. I have been assigned to the McDougall diet. In 20 years we'll find out which diet is better." And then just laugh.


Spiral, I can't think of anything funnier and more on the money! Loved this.
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Re: Acc to this book, I'm going to die from lectin poisoning

Postby bbq » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:08 am

This is *REAL* M.D. who graduated from Yale back in 1972, and I guarantee this is not a prank:

http://www.heartlunginstitute.com

Apparently it's copied from somewhere else:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/207661/devil-made-me-do-it-kay-r-daly

Heart Healthy Food Groups, no kidding:

http://www.heartlunginstitute.com/hh_foods.php

He actually practiced medicine for over 40 years, that's interesting. Are we supposed to take him seriously, or he just realized that he could get away with saying anything these days when plenty of people are gonna eat that right up?
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