Lower Testosterone

[Jeff55]

Does anyone have experience or know what foods can lower a man's testosterone? I have a friend who went on the McDougall diet and lost a lot of his sex drive.
Could it be from these foods? https://www.anabolicmen.com/foods-that- ... tosterone/ Thoughts?

[f1jim]

In 10 years of eating this way and following this diet on several websites with online forums I have NEVER heard this complaint about a whole foods plant based diet. In fact, the stories are legion about the restoration of sexual function in men that adopt this diet and rediscover this area of their lives lost to the typical western diet.
My gut reaction is that this is another excuse for not eating healthy. But that would be speculation on my part.
Jeff, you joined us here on the forum in 2013. Is that your experience as well?
f1jim

[Old Guy]

I would suspect another underlying reason and then blames it on the McDougall diet. Maybe an excuse to go back to eating his old ways. Just my thoughts.

[patty]

He wants your permission to have a cardiac arrest:) Don't give it to him. A woman whose husband became totally paralyzed from viagra, doctor told her husband survived because he had a healthy heart. Most pass. She asked why don't we hear about it and he shared because of the wives/women were embarrassed. If you listen to Dr Mc Dougall and Dr Esselstyn you will hear over and over what you feed you heart you feed the rest of your body.

Aloha, patty

[Drew_ab]

You're looking at low T guy here - I did have some success increasing it and made a thread about it. It's still not great, but I guess it's okay. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=49142&hilit=testosterone

I believe there are other factors at play affecting my T though including a very damaging life style for the first 25 years of my life or so.

[viv]

Maybe since going on the McDougall diet, your friend's partner is not looking as attractive as before.

[foodaddict]

Does anyone have experience or know what foods can lower a man's testosterone? I have a friend who went on the McDougall diet and lost a lot of his sex drive.
Could it be from these foods? https://www.anabolicmen.com/foods-that- ... tosterone/ Thoughts?

Why would he loose his sex drive because of the McDougall diet? The list of food from that website isnt eaten on the McDougall diet. That type of food lower the testosterone but Dr McDougall warn people about that food so this make no sense at all.

I am a woman and I know nothing about how men feels from a low testosterone levels but I have had experiences with men I dated who had a low libido from their blood pressure medication. So if your friend recently started to take BP medication and then started to eat the McDougall diet at the same time it might be because of that. Or perhaps an other medication. Or perhaps he didn't manage to do it one evening and then got nervous and then cant do it anymore. I know there are good therapists out there that can counsel men with problems like that. Problem is that most men dont want to talk about it to anyone so several of my relationships ended because the men blamed me. One man I dated for 2 years with nothing happened actually met someone else and now he and his wife got 5 kids. So changing partner in that case was a good thing perhaps but I heard that he had become a raw food vegan after being a meat eater when we had dated each others. But anyway. I doubt the McDougall diet lower the testosterone. I would rather think that it will help a problem like this since the blood flow of the male organ probably gets better. And by the way as we get older its not that easy for any man to do things like they used to do in the past. already some men in their mid 30ties have problems but almost always due to heart disease and or diabetes or smoking or alcohol.

Wishing your friend good luck !

[patty]

Actually healing and sexual energy is very akin. We are all fascinated in losing our sense of self. And that is why we are fascinated with unrequited love (love songs, love stories, extreme sports, the what ifs, the news, what can be or can't be fixed). It is performing in life in general in our sexually, exercising, shopping we realize the acts perform us. 95% of hospital visits are lifestyle. 95% of our day is habit.

In order to lose our sense of self our subconsciously takes over for the process to happen. I remember the guy in AA sharing about someone in a meeting who he was attracted to and they had gone out, got married etc but he didn't even know if she would even speak to him because this was all in his mind. It is called the honey moon effect of the non-empirical world. Bruce Lipton a cell biologist wrote a whole book on it with that title. Uncertainty becomes delightful uncertainty when practicing being Starch based because Satity comes in and allows the person to think through what they need vs what they think they want. Maybe the chemistry would be off between the two of them and maybe not. If not he is able to hone the energy of the honey moon effect by thinking it through (the process yes, no (know) and wait). Space time is a construct of the mind.

The body, mind and social non-empirical world and empirical world comes in to lose the sense of the ego self where rational thinking takes place. That is why when eating the red light goes off if we see something that isn't WFPBNO. Just as we stop when we see a red traffic light when driving even though our mind is somewhere else, as long as we do that we are honing in the honey moon effect of driving. This is crucial and can be true in emergency rooms where the we calm down and the exotic disease become food borne illnesses because and we take our power back. Remember we collectively as a culture have assigned the God-complex to doctors.The possibility of the remedy becomes other then having the chest ripped open or the limbs cut off. The honey moon effect is focusing on what is on the plate and in actuality we have been practicing that on a daily basis. We have a power where Satiety lives. Performing becomes plan A or B. We never can lose Being.

Dr Mc Dougall shares doctors are very good at setting bones, lacerations and infections. With infections where antibiotics are needed, it is important to know there is a point of no return. The honey moon effect with doctors takes on a whole new view of delightful uncertainty because you are in the zone. Dr. McDougall has given the data and information, where the individual can be objective of what services are a option for them. They are able to question within themselves what is the intent of the seller, is it health first or money first. The principle of the non-empirical world is the non-losing principle, I can give you a thought and you have it and I have it. That is where Dr. McDougall's wealth resides, he never goes hungry as he know where the Satiety is and everyone can afford it. He gave us that principal when he shared all chronic illnesses are food borne. What a sexual attraction is that thought, and you can give to anybody, if they are receptive to receive it or not. It is not limited to the empirical world of performing other than giving what you want. The wedding is always with in, we are married in our soul.

Aloha, patty

[Jeff55]

Thanks for the feedback! I looked at into how he was living - he was eating lots of fat -- 2-3 Larabars and flaxseeds/walnuts every day, herbal teas (listed in my original post) and poor posture https://www.ted.com/talks/amy_cuddy_you ... ho_you_are . I told him to cut out all plant fat except for half a tablespoon of flaxseeds in the morning, cut all mint/spearmint/licorice tea and keep a good posture all day (no slouching) and he said his testosterone came back to normal. I know all of the above can affect testosterone. I'm not sure which one had the greatest impact and I don't think my friend wants to start experimenting to find out. I find it very interesting how sensitive we are to these things!

[GeoffreyLevens]

I told him to cut out all plant fat except for half a tablespoon of flaxseeds in the morning, cut all mint/spearmint/licorice tea and keep a good posture all day (no slouching) and he said his testosterone came back to normal. I know all of the above can affect testosterone. I'm not sure which one had the greatest impact and I don't think my friend wants to start experimenting to find out.

Did he blood test before and after for actual T level? My guess is that the hormone had nothing at all to do with this. More likely psychology of radical diet change (OMG! Where will I get my protein!) See my new post about Placebo here

The Best Placebo

[Jeff55]

Yes. This was not a placebo. Has anyone else had similar experiences?

[patty]

Yes. This was not a placebo. Has anyone else had similar experiences?

This is a excellent video of a knee placebo operation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps4pRPYJWOo

In 12 Step Program, it is a We Can program, where it is only another drunk can help another drunk get sober.

Aloha, patty

[GeoffreyLevens]

Yes. This was not a placebo. Has anyone else had similar experiences?

This is a excellent video of a knee placebo operation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps4pRPYJWOo

In 12 Step Program, it is a We Can program, where it is only another drunk can help another drunk get sober.

Aloha, patty

Amazingly cool! I vaguely remember when this was first published. The real trick is to activate that effect, activate the innate healing power, without outside intervention, no surgery, no pills, etc.

And of course, there is the opposite "nocebo" effect to be aware of. Gluten anyone?

The Nocebo Effect: Nocebo vs Placebo clinical trials and the results