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bbq wrote:Primary Care Corner with Geoffrey Modest MD: Placebo genetics and the “placebome”
http://blogs.bmj.com/ebm/2015/05/07/primary-care-corner-with-geoffrey-modest-md-placebo-genetics-and-the-placebome/
Review supports existence of the 'placebome'
http://www.bionews.org.uk/page_517845.asp
The Placebome?
How genomics might influence the role of the placebo in patient care and clinical research
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/placebome
Genetics and the Placebo Effect: the Placebome
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4573548/
katgirl55 wrote:Here is my crackpot response to this:
What if many avenues of belief are just templates that we use to direct the brain to tap into its resources? These resources are such things as the relaxation response, placebo effect, spontaneous healing, etc. So those who sun gaze, meditate or pray can all benefit in a similar way even if they get there in very different ways.
In general I am a skeptic, but I also know that our brains and the universe are both vast mysteries that we know little about. Just because our current science does not have all of the answers does not mean there are not answers to be found.
Two days ago my day at work was so full of stress that I came home and had achy joints and a headache. That night I had bad dreams full of anxiety. This is all from how my brain perceived my day to be - mental sabretooth tigers chasing me all day. There was no actual physical danger to me, but my thoughts and emotions were troubled and I had a physical response of pain. Since I know this to be true, I cannot dismiss the possibility of people staring at the sun and relaxing experiencing positive benefits.
H2O wrote:bbq wrote:Primary Care Corner with Geoffrey Modest MD: Placebo genetics and the “placebome”
http://blogs.bmj.com/ebm/2015/05/07/primary-care-corner-with-geoffrey-modest-md-placebo-genetics-and-the-placebome/
Review supports existence of the 'placebome'
http://www.bionews.org.uk/page_517845.asp
The Placebome?
How genomics might influence the role of the placebo in patient care and clinical research
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/placebome
Genetics and the Placebo Effect: the Placebome
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4573548/
sun gazing and meditation is applied epigenetics
or read
https://www.brucelipton.com/resource/ar ... pigenetics
for details
peace
patty wrote:H2O wrote:bbq wrote:Primary Care Corner with Geoffrey Modest MD: Placebo genetics and the “placebome”
http://blogs.bmj.com/ebm/2015/05/07/primary-care-corner-with-geoffrey-modest-md-placebo-genetics-and-the-placebome/
Review supports existence of the 'placebome'
http://www.bionews.org.uk/page_517845.asp
The Placebome?
How genomics might influence the role of the placebo in patient care and clinical research
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/placebome
Genetics and the Placebo Effect: the Placebome
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4573548/
sun gazing and meditation is applied epigenetics
or read
https://www.brucelipton.com/resource/ar ... pigenetics
for details
peace
Bruce Lipton is a favorite. Mahalo for posting. I loved in Jeff Novick's Calorie Destiny DVD when he shared "We subconsciously eat the same Weight of food daily." We live in a nocebo world when we believe the world is outside of ourselves. The best revenge is to be happy and free. As Dr McDougall shares in "The Starch Solution" plants survive all seasons starch (Light) based. All nature has it. Only man has a self conscious.
Aloha, Patty
H2O wrote:
sun gazing and meditation is applied epigenetics
or read
https://www.brucelipton.com/resource/ar ... pigenetics
for details
peace
patty wrote:H2O wrote:
sun gazing and meditation is applied epigenetics
or read
https://www.brucelipton.com/resource/ar ... pigenetics
for details
peace
Bruce Lipton is a favorite. Mahalo for posting. I loved in Jeff Novick's Calorie Destiny DVD when he shared "We subconsciously eat the same Weight of food daily." We live in a nocebo world when we believe the world is outside of ourselves. The best revenge is to be happy and free. As Dr McDougall shares in "The Starch Solution" plants survive all seasons starch (Light) based. All nature has it. Only man has a self conscious.
Aloha, Patty
H2O wrote:
the older bloke is a yawner.... but anyway....
suppose everyone has their theories and the two aren't any different
I go along with the analogy of the pressure chamber with hand gloves inside (that's my interpretation)
or the scuba diving suit analogy where you need for every environment a vehicle or EVA suit kinda thing to be able to interact with the situations in that particular environment; once finished you go back to the place where you "came" from and strip off your EVA suit because you no longer need it - if that makes sense. For how seemingly long we are in a particular environment is all perception not always fact on a time line so to speak. I gave another good analogy with a reference to a Star Trek episode called "The Inner Light" (worth watching! So, we might not be connected for really 80 years to experience Earth, maybe just a flash, who knows....
long philosophical subject...
peace
“There’s a force moving within us, a biological imperative to survive and to avoid death. It’s built in. Right now, there’s the question of our own extinction, and none of us want to die.”
What is it in the subconscious mind of the individual—or the collective whole—that takes us to the brink of destruction? Only through entering the world of the subconscious mind’s programming will we find out. “I was living in a self-imposed world that resembled purgatory,” Dr. Lipton recalled in a quiet voice. “I thought, ‘What the hell is wrong with this world?’ Now I’m walking in heaven. I’ve recognized who I really am and have rewritten the limiting programs that disempowered me.” Bruce Lipton
H2O wrote:as Bruce Lipton reiterated
we have to change our perception and we work miracles
can't be any closer to the truth
peace
H2O wrote:also interesting is this
I have had lots of lucid dreams where I was able to eat, smell, taste, hear, touch (as much as in this reality)
so, what's the difference to determine which is real?
it doesn't really matter, the only difference is our perception
the same goes for the supposedly death, which is again only perception in regard to this reality vs. dreamland
we're actually not really dying, we only perceive life as a real dream and once the dream is over we shift perception again
well, my theory, and based on my experience, for me, it holds merit to support the idea that there is life after death as much as it is after every nights dream. We're eternal.
peace
Tony: Yeah, that’s good. I’m good with ‘I’ and ‘you’, it’s an apparent-I and an apparent-you.
Rick: Yeah, and it’s a little awkward trying to talk without using them and it’s a little awkward trying to stick the word ‘apparent’ before everything you say, same time you have to presume that that’s the understanding.
So perhaps intentionally you don’t have a bio on your book jacket and you don’t have a bio on your site. And I think that perhaps that points to the heart of your message, and you can say it better than I but I’ve heard you say it a thousand times, there really is no, sort of, entity in there that we would define as Tony Parsons.
Tony: No, absolutely, and the story - the apparent story of Tony Parsons - has no relevance to this message at all. Because the apparent Tony Parsons seems to be there seeking something and the inside of me just collapsed and there was nothing left, so that message comes out of that nothing.
Basically, shall I just go through that? Rick: Yeah please. I may interject a question or two but you just go ahead.
Tony: Basically the message is simply saying that all there is this, all there is is wholeness, oneness. I like to call it “boundless energy”. Boundless energy is all there is and it arises as everything there is and everything there isn’t.
And so this boundless energy is immeasurable, it can’t be tamed, it’s wild and it’s chaotic and it also appears to be ordered. And one of the things that it appears to be is a separate energy, a contracted energy that seems to happen uniquely to human beings. And in some way or other, that sense of being separate begins a clock. A clock starts ticking and throughout the separate energies there the ‘me’ story begins, and the story and ‘me’ are both the same thing. ‘Me’ can’t exist without the story and the story can’t exist without ‘me’, and that all happens in a separate reality. And for the individual it seems as though that reality is real.
The whole idea that the person has free-will and choice and that their life has a purpose - and that story also includes cause and effect, all of those things arise and all of those things seem real to the individual. And so the individual goes into what it thinks is it’s reality, but in some way or other that reality can at times seem dissatisfying, because of course the ‘me’ is living in a separate reality. And so the ‘me’ never sees a tree naturally, never sees the sky naturally, never has feelings in the natural way they are, because all of those things are experienced through separation, as though those things arise through cling-film.
Rick: Aha, cling-film meaning like a filter of some sort? Tony: Yeah, a filter, a separate filter.
So the tree is somehow always an object out there, everything else is an object because already the ‘me’ has seemingly become a something. So the ‘me’ lives as though it is a real something and it lives in a world of real somethings - everything real out there is something else that’s happening to this real something here.
And somewhere there’s a sense of dissatisfaction about that, it feels unfulfilling to somehow live in this separate world. And so some people start to try to find an answer for that sense of dissatisfaction and they go to teachers, but of course they have with them that belief of free-will and choice, and the way they can “learn” how to find that fulfillment, would be through their own choice and their own action.
And so they go to teachers who also speak within the dream story about personal enlightenment and the way that that can be attained. But of course what’s happening all the time is that the ‘me’ is living in a circular world, in a separate world, and those things that it experiences come and go because they are happening in a world of time only, they are just time-orientated happenings or experiences.
So the things that people learn from teachers, like self inquiry or meditation, bring up experiences that come and go. They are transient experiences and they never have any permanent or constant satisfaction about them. So the Open Secret basically is, we’re revealing that myth – revealing the myth of the ‘me’ and the myth of the story, and it’s pointing to the possibility that all of that is an illusion, that that whole story and the ‘me’ is living in an illusory world which is circular, just with experiences coming and going, coming and going.
And the strange thing is that what seems to be happening when that is revealed in meetings, obviously, usually, is that the whole sense of ‘me’, the whole idea that the ‘me’ is real or the embodied sense that the ‘me’ is real seems to crumble. And the other thing that happens in the meetings, and obviously this doesn’t have to be at meetings; this dropping away of the ‘me’ can happen anywhere and at any time, but in the meetings it seems that somehow the contracted energy of the separate ‘me’ seems to melt back into the boundless energy of what is, and there’s nothing that’s left in that. And that is what I would call liberation; it’s my term for liberation from the illusory imprisonment of being a ‘me’ in the story.
Rick: Yeah, I often heard you say that it’s not so much what is said in the meetings, but there’s sort of an energetic resonance or something that enables people to kind of entrain, and maybe drop into as you now just described.
Tony: Yeah, because the other part of the meetings is that essentially seeking is starved. There’s no agenda to please the seeker or give the seeker anything at all. In fact, I have to say that the seeker isn’t even recognized as a seeker; the seeker is recognized as being in a dream story about seeking. And so that whole energy of feeding the need of the seeker drops away and in a sense, that could be very powerful as far as the separate ‘me’ is concerned.
Rick: I would suggest that traditional teachers to whom you elude - you know, Shankara, Ramana Maharishi, all these teachers - knew very well that ultimately there is no ‘me’, there is no person and so on, but they used what they referred to as “a thorn to remove a thorn,” that they kind of met the so- called seeker, or the apparent seeker, on his own ground and then offered him something which ultimately might be absurd or meaningless or useless in the final analysis, but which from where the seeker stood had some utility in bringing him to a greater readiness to drop into the realization that you’ve been describing.
Tony: As far as I’m concerned, that sort of way or method or teaching, or helping of somebody, simply goes on reinforcing the sense of separation, and there’s nothing that can be done about creating a readiness in the ‘me’ that’s separate in order for liberation to happen.
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