H2O wrote:also interesting is this
I have had lots of lucid dreams where I was able to eat, smell, taste, hear, touch (as much as in this reality)
so, what's the difference to determine which is real?
it doesn't really matter, the only difference is our perception
the same goes for the supposedly death, which is again only perception in regard to this reality vs. dreamland
we're actually not really dying, we only perceive life as a real dream and once the dream is over we shift perception again
well, my theory, and based on my experience, for me, it holds merit to support the idea that there is life after death as much as it is after every nights dream. We're eternal.
peace
Yes, as thinking is part of the dream as all of the other senses. That is why the power of the dream is choice. Only in the dream we have free will. In AA they share: clean house, trust, have faith/which equates to "act as if"/get out of perceived self. As in your story (perception) you are re-dreaming your story to be a better story. But it is still a story/a dream. They say day dreaming, sleeping and waking, are becoming One conscious. I have done a lot of work in death and dying, and when someone is anxious of the when, they are not so much worried about the how, I suggest I find it easier to think of myself as dead already. And for some reason it resonates as you have said, you can't logically tell really what is real and what is not. Tony Parsons is good the link I posted.. really wasn't the best:) sorry:) I listen to him a lot because of my work, I am confronted daily of the when? But in essence everyone is:) The duality flip that happens is as Bruce Lipton shares he is in Heaven.
Here is a link to a video interview with Tony Parsons at Buddha at the Gas Pump:
https://batgap.com/tony-parsons/The transcript of the video:
https://batgap.com/transcripts/107_Tony ... script.pdfif you read or watch the whole video.. you will see how Rick's character keeps trying to pull Tony back into the story of beginning and end. In essence there is no life after death because no one has ever been born or dies. That is the quantum leap Bruce Lipton shares about. It is a energetic thing of letting go the contracted energy held in the I/body/cells etc. And why addictions keep reappearing, because the seeker is the I. As Jeff Novick shares in his Calorie Destiny dvd. We Subconsciously eat the same amount of WEIGHT of food daily. We carry a non-exsistent world on our backs that tell us it is normal to grow old decrepit, when in essence we are not even in a body, a subject object world.
This is part of the transcript where Toney explains apparent reality (the individual I) Remember thinking is a sense, like our other senses. They like our other senses rise and fall, it is only the individual I that feeds or is fed from them.
Tony: Yeah, that’s good. I’m good with ‘I’ and ‘you’, it’s an apparent-I and an apparent-you.
Rick: Yeah, and it’s a little awkward trying to talk without using them and it’s a little awkward trying to stick the word ‘apparent’ before everything you say, same time you have to presume that that’s the understanding.
So perhaps intentionally you don’t have a bio on your book jacket and you don’t have a bio on your site. And I think that perhaps that points to the heart of your message, and you can say it better than I but I’ve heard you say it a thousand times, there really is no, sort of, entity in there that we would define as Tony Parsons.
Tony: No, absolutely, and the story - the apparent story of Tony Parsons - has no relevance to this message at all. Because the apparent Tony Parsons seems to be there seeking something and the inside of me just collapsed and there was nothing left, so that message comes out of that nothing.
Basically, shall I just go through that?
Rick: Yeah please. I may interject a question or two but you just go ahead.
Tony: Basically the message is simply saying that all there is this, all there is is wholeness, oneness. I like to call it “boundless energy”. Boundless energy is all there is and it arises as everything there is and everything there isn’t.
And so this boundless energy is immeasurable, it can’t be tamed, it’s wild and it’s chaotic and it also appears to be ordered. And one of the things that it appears to be is a separate energy, a contracted energy that seems to happen uniquely to human beings. And in some way or other, that sense of being separate begins a clock. A clock starts ticking and throughout the separate energies there the ‘me’ story begins, and the story and ‘me’ are both the same thing. ‘Me’ can’t exist without the story and the story can’t exist without ‘me’, and that all happens in a separate reality. And for the individual it seems as though that reality is real.
The whole idea that the person has free-will and choice and that their life has a purpose - and that story also includes cause and effect, all of those things arise and all of those things seem real to the individual. And so the individual goes into what it thinks is it’s reality, but in some way or other that reality can at times seem dissatisfying, because of course the ‘me’ is living in a separate reality. And so the ‘me’ never sees a tree naturally, never sees the sky naturally, never has feelings in the natural way they are, because all of those things are experienced through separation, as though those things arise through cling-film.
Rick: Aha, cling-film meaning like a filter of some sort? Tony: Yeah, a filter, a separate filter.
So the tree is somehow always an object out there, everything else is an object because already the ‘me’ has seemingly become a something. So the ‘me’ lives as though it is a real something and it lives in a world of real somethings - everything real out there is something else that’s happening to this real something here.
And somewhere there’s a sense of dissatisfaction about that, it feels unfulfilling to somehow live in this separate world. And so some people start to try to find an answer for that sense of dissatisfaction and they go to teachers, but of course they have with them that belief of free-will and choice, and the way they can “learn” how to find that fulfillment, would be through their own choice and their own action.
And so they go to teachers who also speak within the dream story about personal enlightenment and the way that that can be attained. But of course what’s happening all the time is that the ‘me’ is living in a circular world, in a separate world, and those things that it experiences come and go because they are happening in a world of time only, they are just time-orientated happenings or experiences.
So the things that people learn from teachers, like self inquiry or meditation, bring up experiences that come and go. They are transient experiences and they never have any permanent or constant satisfaction about them. So the Open Secret basically is, we’re revealing that myth – revealing the myth of the ‘me’ and the myth of the story, and it’s pointing to the possibility that all of that is an illusion, that that whole story and the ‘me’ is living in an illusory world which is circular, just with experiences coming and going, coming and going.
And the strange thing is that what seems to be happening when that is revealed in meetings, obviously, usually, is that the whole sense of ‘me’, the whole idea that the ‘me’ is real or the embodied sense that the ‘me’ is real seems to crumble. And the other thing that happens in the meetings, and obviously this doesn’t have to be at meetings; this dropping away of the ‘me’ can happen anywhere and at any time, but in the meetings it seems that somehow the contracted energy of the separate ‘me’ seems to melt back into the boundless energy of what is, and there’s nothing that’s left in that. And that is what I would call liberation; it’s my term for liberation from the illusory imprisonment of being a ‘me’ in the story.
Rick: Yeah, I often heard you say that it’s not so much what is said in the meetings, but there’s sort of an energetic resonance or something that enables people to kind of entrain, and maybe drop into as you now just described.
Tony: Yeah, because the other part of the meetings is that essentially seeking is starved. There’s no agenda to please the seeker or give the seeker anything at all. In fact, I have to say that the seeker isn’t even recognized as a seeker; the seeker is recognized as being in a dream story about seeking. And so that whole energy of feeding the need of the seeker drops away and in a sense, that could be very powerful as far as the separate ‘me’ is concerned.
Rick: I would suggest that traditional teachers to whom you elude - you know, Shankara, Ramana Maharishi, all these teachers - knew very well that ultimately there is no ‘me’, there is no person and so on, but they used what they referred to as “a thorn to remove a thorn,” that they kind of met the so- called seeker, or the apparent seeker, on his own ground and then offered him something which ultimately might be absurd or meaningless or useless in the final analysis, but which from where the seeker stood had some utility in bringing him to a greater readiness to drop into the realization that you’ve been describing.
Tony: As far as I’m concerned, that sort of way or method or teaching, or helping of somebody, simply goes on reinforcing the sense of separation, and there’s nothing that can be done about creating a readiness in the ‘me’ that’s separate in order for liberation to happen.
Aloha, patty
