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Re: 13th

Postby patty » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:16 am

Skip wrote:
patty wrote:'13th' documentary shows black people migrating from slavery to prison


I'd like to add one word to your statement:

'13th' documentary shows black people migrating from slavery to prison slavery


Again Mahalo for posting the 13th... What is wonderful about truth of the 13th loophole.. it is disarming to anyone with gun:) The only place we have to go is Up:) Education works.


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Re: 13th

Postby GoodLife » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:15 am

With those statistics, I believe we can no longer call ourselves a "free" country or the "land of the free."
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Re: 13th

Postby patty » Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:58 pm

The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander is available on Audible.com
http://www.audible.com/pd/Nonfiction/Th ... 397&sr=1-1

The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness

Written by: Michelle Alexander
Narrated by: Karen Chilton
Length: 13 hrs and 16 mins
Unabridged Audiobook
Release Date:04-03-12
Publisher: Recorded Books

Publisher's Summary

In the era of colorblindness, it is no longer socially permissible to use race, explicitly, as a justification for discrimination, exclusion, and social contempt. Yet, as legal star Michelle Alexander reveals, today it is perfectly legal to discriminate against convicted criminals in nearly all the ways that it was once legal to discriminate against African Americans. Once you’re labeled a felon, the old forms of discrimination - employment discrimination, housing discrimination, denial of the right to vote, denial of educational opportunity, denial of food stamps and other public benefits, and exclusion from jury service - are suddenly legal.
©2012 Michelle Alexander (P)2012 Recorded Books, LLC


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Re: 13th

Postby Thrasymachus » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:25 pm

I haven't watched the documentary, but I know that white America did lots of stuff to screw over the African American community since the nominal passing of anti-slavery legislation. According to one of my favorite podcasts Against the Grain:
https://kpfa.org/episode/against-the-gr ... er-1-2015/
During the height of slavery 60% of American exports were from cotton according to the scholar Sven Beckert! The American North and Western Europe become industrialized through cotton. So alot of imperialist countries became rich off cotton, but African Americans are still the poorest demographic group in the nation.

Another podcast by Against the Grain invites U.C. Berkeley’s Margaret Weir, who talks about why the South has such crappy public transit in all their major cities: because white suburbanites didn't want "those people", poor urban blacks to possibly come to their respectable neighborhoods:
https://kpfa.org/episode/76779/
Which given the wealth gap and the fact that they cannot afford a private automoblic means they experience transportation apartheid with lesser access to hospitals, education, jobs, government services, etc.

So it is not just slavery, but the African American community was still and is still bludgeoned over the head to keep it down. Really if you look at the world only thing that has changed is that white America and Western European imperialists have transitioned to being very honest about their racism in the past, to attributing it today to their free markets, their superior institutions, superior culture, superior education, superior itself. Education itself while pretending to offer an opportunity to "fight for equality"(an oxymoron exposed by Ivan Ilich), is a game of allowing those families that already have the most wealth to get all the high paying professional jobs that those without college degrees are locked out of:

ScienceDaily wrote:How the 'long shadow' of an inner city childhood affects adult success
In a groundbreaking study, Johns Hopkins University researchers followed nearly 800 Baltimore school children for a quarter of a century and discovered that their fates were substantially determined by the family they were born into.
"A family's resources and the doors they open cast a long shadow over children's life trajectories," Johns Hopkins sociologist Karl Alexander says in a forthcoming book, The Long Shadow: Family Background, Disadvantaged Urban Youth and the Transition to Adulthood. "This view is at odds with the popular ethos that we are makers of our own fortune."
Alexander, who joined Johns Hopkins in 1972 and retires this summer, spent nearly his entire career on the study, along with fellow researchers and co-authors Doris Entwisle and Linda Olson. Together they tracked 790 Baltimore children from 1982, the year they entered first grade, until they turned 28 or 29 years old, focusing in particular on those who started the journey in the most disadvantaged settings.
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At nearly 30 years old, almost half the sample found themselves at the same socio-economic status as their parents. The poor stayed poor; those better off remained better off.
Only 33 children moved from birth families in the low-income bracket to the high-income bracket as young adults; if family had no bearing on children's mobility prospects, almost 70 would be expected. And of those who started out well off, only 19 dropped to the low-income bracket, a fourth of the number expected.
"The implication is where you start in life is where you end up in life," Alexander said. "It's very sobering to see how this all unfolds."
Among the most striking findings:
Almost none of the children from low-income families made it through college. Of the children from low-income families, only 4 percent had a college degree at age 28, compared to 45 percent of the children from higher-income backgrounds. "That's a shocking tenfold difference across social lines," Alexander said.
Among those who did not attend college, white men from low-income backgrounds found the best-paying jobs. Though they had the lowest rate of college attendance and completion, white men from low-income backgrounds found high-paying jobs in what remained of Baltimore's industrial economy. At age 28, 45 percent of them were working in construction trades and industrial crafts, compared with 15 percent of black men from similar backgrounds and virtually no women. In those trades, whites earned, on average, more than twice what blacks made.
Those well-paying blue collar jobs are not as abundant as during the years after World War II, but they still exist, and a large issue today is who gets them: among high school drop-outs, at age 22, 89 percent of white dropouts were working compared with 40 percent of black drop-outs.
White women from low-income backgrounds benefit financially from marriage and stable live-in partnerships. Though both white and black women who grew up in lower-income households earned less than white men, when you consider household income, white women reached parity with white men -- because they were married to them. Black women not only had low earnings, they were less likely than whites to be in stable family unions and so were less likely to benefit from a spouse's earnings.
White and black women from low-income households also had similar teen birth rates but white women more often had a spouse or partner, which helped to mitigate the challenges.
"It is access to good paying work that perpetuates the privilege of working class white men over working class black men," Alexander said. "By partnering with these men, white working class women share in that privilege."
Most likely to abuse drugs -- better-off white men. Though young black men get the bad rap when it comes to drugs, The Long Shadow found better-off white men had the highest self-reported rates of drug use, binge-drinking and chronic smoking, followed in each instance by white men of disadvantaged families. These men also reported high levels of arrest. But blacks, Alexander said, don't have the social networks whites do to help them find jobs despite these roadblocks. At age 28, 49 percent of black men from low-income backgrounds had a criminal conviction. Of white men from the same background, 41 percent had convictions, but the white employment rate was much higher.

Information on the book can be found at: https://www.russellsage.org/publications/long-shadow
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Re: 13th

Postby patty » Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:46 am

Working with the dying, you fall in love with every individual as you know they are part of the Whole. It is like the witnessing Wholeness (the non-empirical finding itself in the empirical) . And it is impossible to feel separate as Wholeness is all inclusive.

The Stanford Prison Expierment had to be shut down early because the students who played the guards became more abusive then the students who played the prisoners. The professor who devopled the program shared it was like a bad apple in a container, the whole
container had to be changed.

The Dali Lama shares being exiled from his country was the best thing that happen to him as his whole life changed as Mandala has shared about being imprisoned.

It is our mind, duality thinking that imprisons us. Everyone has to give up their story. What is exciting is the best revenge is to be happy and healthy. Dr. McDougall has broken out of the long shadow that Big Food and Big Pharma has cast. Free Will and Choice collapse from a artificial construct. It is a inside job. Numbers are man made.

On the Big Island of Hawaii they have the City of Refuge. And through out the island they have these small walls that lead to there. If a crime has been committed and someone seeking refugee makes it there, their slate is wiped clean. There is always going to be skirmishes because that is how we elove. It is the stuff that imprison us. The satiety of the Starch allows us to think it through. That is the dope.

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Re: 13th

Postby -mermaid- » Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:56 pm

One good resource is www.prisonpolicy.org.
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