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T. Colin Campbell on Saturated Fat

Postby FakeCanadian » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:09 pm

I'm guessing many of you have read this very recent piece by Colin Campbell:

http://nutritionstudies.org/plant-oils-are-not-a-healthy-alternative-to-saturated-fat/

One of my takeaways is that eating plant-based saturated fat does not cause or exacerbate coronary artery plaque. Do you agree that the article at least implies this conclusion, or am I misinterpreting or stretching too far?

I ask because, probably like many of you, I avoid high saturated fat, whole plant foods (coconut, avocado, nuts) on the recommendation of Dr. Esselstyn at least and perhaps others (Novick? McDougall?). Now I am wondering, because of Campbell's piece, whether there's disagreement among the WFPB gurus on the level of hazard from eating whole plants with a high saturated fat content for people like me who have diagnosed heart disease.

Thanks for your feedback.
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Re: T. Colin Campbell on Saturated Fat

Postby vgpedlr » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:41 pm

FakeCanadian wrote:I'm guessing many of you have read this very recent piece by Colin Campbell:

http://nutritionstudies.org/plant-oils-are-not-a-healthy-alternative-to-saturated-fat/

It sounds like his familiar tune, look to the whole food, and not isolated components to see the real story. Animal foods promote disease, plant foods promote health. Trying to pin it on fat, or a kind of fat wasn't quite accurate, and for many didn't work because the food industry found clever ways of manipulating those components. Plus, currently the LC and paleo crowd are making the same points as defense of eating high fat animal foods. Campbell's position is that while they are correct in their interpretation concerning saturated fat, they are wrong to promote animal foods, and that is why he prefers to use animal protein as the marker, not saturated fat.

One of my takeaways is that eating plant-based saturated fat does not cause or exacerbate coronary artery plaque. Do you agree that the article at least implies this conclusion, or am I misinterpreting or stretching too far?

I don't think he made this point. Certainly they are safer, as he pointed out, if they are in whole food form because they are protected by the fiber and antioxidants of the plant. Going further is an extrapolation. Dr. Greger has a few videos on coconut that suggest its saturated fat content makes it a dangerous food.

I ask because, probably like many of you, I avoid high saturated fat, whole plant foods (coconut, avocado, nuts) on the recommendation of Dr. Esselstyn at least and perhaps others (Novick? McDougall?). Now I am wondering, because of Campbell's piece, whether there's disagreement among the WFPB gurus on the level of hazard from eating whole plants with a high saturated fat content for people like me who have diagnosed heart disease.

In such matters, I would side with Esselstyn for the addition of practical clinical experience as well as research.

Absent from the discussion is the issue of calorie density, which make such foods impractical for most people for more than an occasional treat.
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Re: T. Colin Campbell on Saturated Fat

Postby JeffN » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:22 pm

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Re: T. Colin Campbell on Saturated Fat

Postby bbq » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:52 pm

I dunno about you but I'd rather look at the big picture myself, the consumption of oils didn't seemed to be any good for preventing cancer so that wouldn't make a difference for me whether it's helping or harming patients with coronary heart disease:

http://www.eps1.comlink.ne.jp/~mayus/eng/femalecancer.html

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http://www.eps1.comlink.ne.jp/~mayus/eng/IJCTP.html

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Pretty much the same deal for diabetes as well? I wouldn't want that many intramyocellular lipids in my body and maybe it's a great idea to think about how many calories should come from fats on a daily basis.

Fats at 9 calories a gram might not be necessarily best bang for the caloric buck, and in general foods with relatively high fat content would cost quite a bit more when compared to rice or beans etc.

The choice is clear for me personally and I guess it's also time for me to review Dr. Campbell's paper again:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25036857
http://plantricianproject.org/admin/resources/untold-nutrition-tc-campbell.pdf
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My Article on Coconut - the highest in saturated fat

Postby John McDougall » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:57 pm

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Re: T. Colin Campbell on Saturated Fat

Postby FakeCanadian » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:49 pm

Thanks so much Jeff and Dr. McDougall for taking the time to post reminders of your view on the question I raised.

Thanks also to vgpedlr for your thoughtful feedback. I agree that Dr. Campbell did not explicitly make the point that eating whole plant foods that are high in saturated fat does not cause or exacerbate coronary artery plaque. However, to me it seemed reasonable to draw that conclusion from the arguments Campbell did make, though I also agree doing so would be an "extrapolation."
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Re: T. Colin Campbell on Saturated Fat

Postby FakeCanadian » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:34 am

At least on the subject of nut consumption, there does appear to be a difference in viewpoint between some WFPB gurus--Campbell/Greger and Esselstyn:

http://nutritionstudies.org/evidence-nut-consumption-human-health/
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