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Re: vegan youtube drama

Postby bbq » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:40 pm

Vegan Gains Vs. Bite Size Vegan: Arm Wrestle Showdown
http://youtu.be/YndbEwkD9d4
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OMG, that's wicked cool.
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Re: vegan youtube drama

Postby bbq » Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:26 pm

healthyvegan wrote:it's exactly like building a bike out of 100% stolen parts and then calling the cops when it gets stolen. the girls vid was all stolen content. they did a nice job organizing it, and it got jacked again and reorganized. no basis for a claim. hey you stole my stolen bike!

Wake up and smell the coffee, please:
http://youtu.be/ma70FJnHR2g wrote:Freelee has been abusing the copyright claim system on youtube, she has contributed to the Vegan Cheetah's channel being taken down and durianrider may be involved as well. This behavior is unacceptable and she needs to learn to respect other vegan activists, free speech and the copyright system.

Yet another victim of her abuse of YouTube copyright infringement loophole:

http://youtu.be/v5DMhaeiko8

Hopefully those videos are still up since Freelee could take advantage of the fundamentally flawed system again.
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Re: vegan youtube drama

Postby BlueGene » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:33 am

Please do take a look at https://youtu.be/ma70FJnHR2g . Vegan Gains has changed a lot! He is intelligent, sensible, calm and cool. The vids that had been passed around in the past had been very angry, violent and offensive.

Maybe it's that the most disagreeable vids of his get shared. I don't know but this is not the same Vegan Gains I'd been exposed to.
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Re: vegan youtube drama

Postby Chikiwing » Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:22 am

BlueGene wrote:He is intelligent, sensible, calm and cool.

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He's an animal rights lunatic and should be an embarrassment to anyone calling themselves a vegan.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3633264/Be-nice-animals-ll-kill-Knife-wielding-vegan-bodybuilder-makes-extraordinary-threats-against-meat-eaters-series-bloodthirsty-online-rants.html
"Be nice to animals or I'll kill you": Knife-wielding vegan bodybuilder makes extraordinary threats against meat eaters in a series of bloodthirsty online rants.
Richard Burgess, aka 'Vegan Gains,' says he enjoys hurting people.
Also talks about hurting children saying "I f***ing hate children"
The outspoken Canadian has caused controversy by celebrating the fact that a fellow YouTuber got cancer

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Re: vegan youtube drama

Postby bbq » Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:52 am

Maybe someone's just trolling but let's say that's actually a serious one.

FYI - there's something called satire and Vegan Gains did put a disclaimer at the beginning of his uploads, just in case Dumas and Maroon still don't get it. He's an entertainer, and that does require an online persona in order to keep his subscribers entertained and therefore his view counts high.

(BTW, you've gotta be *REAL* Dumas and Maroon if you weren't aware of the meaning. LOL)

And then the lamestream media would simply take those "threats" (i.e. satires) out of context while omitting that disclaimer intentionally, that's also how they're keeping their readers entertained.

It's nothing personal, just business.
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Re: vegan youtube drama

Postby Chikiwing » Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:05 am

bbq wrote:He's an entertainer, and that does require an online persona in order to keep his subscribers entertained and therefore his view counts high.

Oh I see. He's an entertainer. :roll:

Well, I need it explained to me how threatening people with knives and celebrating people getting cancer is "entertainment."
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Re: vegan youtube drama

Postby f1jim » Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:09 am

Makes me glad our spats on this forum seem to pale in comparisons to the drama elsewhere.
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Re: vegan youtube drama

Postby bbq » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:24 pm

Chikiwing wrote:
bbq wrote:He's an entertainer, and that does require an online persona in order to keep his subscribers entertained and therefore his view counts high.

Oh I see. He's an entertainer. :roll:

Well, I need it explained to me how threatening people with knives and celebrating people getting cancer is "entertainment."
It's nothing new from omnivores and vegans:

Comedians and Others Are Joking About Cancer - The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/09/fashion/comedians-and-others-are-joking-about-cancer.html

Durianrider Calls Jen Journey a Cancer Patient Scam
http://youtu.be/oYvk3e75gjA
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https://www.facebook.com/JensJourney33
https://www.youtube.com/user/JensJourney33/videos

Conversations Between Durianrider & à-bas-le-ciel
http://imgur.com/a/altR8
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Re: vegan youtube drama

Postby BlueGene » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:00 pm

Mr. Flintstone only quoted half of what I said but that was part of what I was getting at.

Vegan Gains has proven he has the capability of being/acting like a normal human being rather than a complete mental case. This was a side of him I hadn't seen before. People would be more receptive to him if he could always behave as he did in the last video.

Being a "vegan" lunatic doesn't help bring anyone into the fold. It only serves to preach to the choir (and increase views/revenue) while turning everyone else away. That's very sad.
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Re: vegan youtube drama

Postby bbq » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:28 pm

IMHO he's just catering to his particular "niche" since that's also how other vegan YouTubers are presenting to their targeted audiences:

http://youtu.be/HG1KDGfR18s
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Re: vegan youtube drama

Postby bbq » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:21 pm

http://youtu.be/37TKovaOkvk wrote:You disgust me. She was getting better, and did have the option of having her pain managed at this clinic. You and that piece of shit durian rider turned people away from donating to her by spewing bullshit to all your followers. Now she's dead, and that's because she had to leave the treatment center you have such a vendetta against due to lack of funds. And guess what? She was improving at that center! You should be ashamed of yourself for telling people to ignore her and just donate to mercy for animals instead...just fuck Jen, right? She's dying so just donate to the animals instead? If you were a decent human being you'd make a video apologizing to her family and Mitch Tru. You're disgusting.

Durianrider & Unnatural Vegan Turned Their YouTube Fans Against a Dying Cancer Patient???
http://youtu.be/FrertItxWe0

Mark Shares the Truth about Jen Journey with Durian Rider
http://youtu.be/8-x7AKm5GZs

Durianrider and Unnatural Vegan Killed Jennifer Faulisi
http://youtu.be/w2oa6kP8bk8

It's VERY hard to watch the last video linked above, that woman was already dying and she's so desperate for donation. Harley Johnstone posted a video casually and then her supporters just stopped donating.

Her grandmother and mother tried conventional treatments before both of them died from breast cancer. Her own conventional doctor also gave up already and that's why she's gotta raise the money for something NOT covered by her insurance.

What a tragedy and so much for being "vegan" YouTubers.
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Re: vegan youtube drama

Postby patty » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:26 am

When life appears meaningless, it is to ask for a shift of perception. It is first the light, then perception and then projection. Elizabeth Kubler Ross identified the 5 stages of dying: denial, bargaining, anger, depression and acceptance. This is a daily process in practicing this WOE. Justified anger is just as harmful as unjustified anger. Fear is felt through out the whole body. Fear is just False Evidence Appearing Real. Death is a inside job. Only man has a self conscious, that is why when aligned with nature you become aligned. Animals/nature aren't separate. Summer doesn't oppose winter. Dr. McDougall shares in "The Starch Solution" plants survive all seasons starch based. In the islands we practice Ho oponopono I am sorry, Please forgive me, Thank You, I love You.

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Re: vegan youtube drama

Postby katgirl55 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:18 pm

I think we are giving too much credit to these YouTube video pseudo-celebrities. Since when do they represent the entire vegan community?? That would be like saying Kanye West and Kim Kardashian represent all famous people. You would think so from the way the media gives them so much air time! This drama fest is the same to me as the constant Kardashian coverage: meaningless and media-driven.

bbq, I can understand your outrage at DR for his callousness toward a cancer patient who needed help. I would like to think his viewers capable of thinking for themselves, but I'm not sure nowadays. YT beings out trolls of all types, and I also believe it gives a forum for trolls in video format as well. It can be very informative, fun, and positive, and it can also be downright nasty. I have to keep reminding myself not to read comments there.
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Re: vegan youtube drama

Postby BlueGene » Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:29 pm

I know these vegan YouTubers don't represent all vegans but they don't cast us in a good light.

Sorsha Morava recently got the attention of a YouTuber with 47 MILLION subscribers by attacking him. This is not a good thing for veganism. It just confirms what bias people already may have.

https://youtu.be/eQfzqXiNfug
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Re: vegan youtube drama

Postby Thrasymachus » Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:22 pm

You must be seriously confused. When you are less than 1% there is no such thing as bad publicity or advocacy as the alternative that people like you seem to prefer is no advocacy. And she was partially right in her criticism of Pewdiepie, which I could not listen to fully as it was ditsy generation Twitter/millenial nonsense from both parties. The surprisingly socially relevant tv show Southpark pilloried Pewdiepie and the "Let's Play" genre in an episode entitled Rehash. I had no idea that such a thing really existed of people making their living just giving stupid voice-overs of them playing video games. Talk about wasting life, as if playing video games was not passive enough -- now the youth is wasting their lives watching others play video games with immature commentary dubbed over. So I googled and found pewdiepie was real, that he was really the most popular individual on Youtube and his videos are dismally embarrassing. When I was 12 I was more mature, and I was not mature for my age at all. Sadly he is emblematic of a generation who spends all their free time on the basest entertainment industry output who have greatly imbecialized themselves.

Sorsha did not have a very intelligent critique of him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzz76MRSbDY

But saying it is dumb or counter-productive to attack someone who is a 26 year old going on 10, just because the hoi polloi will side with him, is asinine. In point of fact some people will agree with sorsha and win converts to the side that it is a waste that someone like pewdiepie who is about crass entertainment and the mental lowest common denominator is the greatest Youtube star. Honestly when I discovered pewdiepie was real and had 12.8 billion views(currently), it made me very depressed and hopeless about the future of humanity. I don't really go out much lately because I don't want to meet people there is not much to them. By the next decade the public will think Foucault is a bridge in France and Vonnegut is a German culinary dish with how culturally stupid they are becoming. Saying we should not critique or offending the basest, most immature elements if akin to saying humanity should give up and close up shop. A far bigger than peak oil, is peak humanity or the process by which mass media, the entertainment industry and 24/7 peer pressure from social media all conspire to make people more shallow, ditsy, callous, self absorbed than imaginable even a few years ago.
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