Vegetarian diet might not be good for the planet

[Jumpstart]

This article in the Washington Post seems to be a continuation of several articles noted on prior posts. They do post an interesting easy to read graph on the environmental impact of individual foods both animal and vegetable.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/18/being-a-vegetarian-might-make-you-feel-environmentally-superior-why-that-may-be-wrong/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_wonk-vegetarian-215pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

[colonyofcells]

Diets with large amounts of vegetables, fruits, dairy and seafood are not cheap and usually rich people have these types of diets. The right recommendation should be for mostly cheap starch staples like what we see in the traditional diets and these should use less land and resources compared to cattle. Most traditional groups rely on limited local resources which is probably why they evolved to rely mostly on the cheap starch staples. It is probably dumb to plant vegetables in droughty california and then use lots of fossil fuels to truck these vegetables to the rest of america. Towards the end of world war 2, a large part of the okinawa population died from the war and the 1949 okinawa diet was a diet of post war poverty and it had almost no nuts, no seeds and no fruit, no animal productss.

[dailycarbs]

1. Go the the chart and find poultry
2. Everything below it (huge list!) is more sustainable than meat, poultry, and seafood

Problem solved

[bbq]

Seven compelling chapters detail seven issues (acid rain, the dangers of smoking and secondhand smoke, the ozone hole, global warming, the Strategic Defense Initiative, and the banning of DDT) in which this group aimed to sow seeds of public doubt on matters of settled science. They did so by casting aspersions on the science and the scientists who produce it. Oreskes, a professor of history and science studies at UC–San Diego, and science writer Conway also emphasize how journalists and Internet bloggers uncritically repeat these charges. This book deserves serious attention for the lessons it provides about the misuse of science for political and commercial ends.

Food Industry Funded Research Bias
http://youtu.be/HLy5fZA71TY

So what’s their strategy? As a former FDA commissioner described, the tobacco industry’s strategy was embodied in a script written by the lawyers. Every tobacco company executive in the public eye was told to learn the script backwards and forwards, no deviation was allowed. The basic premise was simple— smoking had not been proved to cause cancer. Not proven, not proven, not proven—this would be stated insistently and repeatedly. Inject a thin wedge of doubt, create controversy, never deviate from the prepared line. It was a simple plan and it worked.

Internal industry memos make this explicit. Doubt is our product, since it is the best means of competing with the body of fact that exists in the mind of the general public. See the general public is convinced that cigarettes are in some way harmful to health. They believed their own propaganda. Objective #1: To set aside in the minds of millions the false conviction that cigarette smoking causes lung cancer and other diseases; a conviction based on fanatical assumptions, fallacious rumors, unsupported claims and the unscientific statements and conjectures of publicity-seeking opportunists. We need to lift the cigarette from the cancer identification as quickly as possible, and to establish -- once and for all -- that no scientific evidence has ever been produced, presented or submitted to prove conclusively that cigarette smoking causes cancer, similar to what’s now coming out from the food industry, from that same folks that bought us smoke and candy.

Big Food Using the Tobacco Industry Playbook
http://youtu.be/YcWCMNV2YIA

A U.S. district judge overseeing a tobacco industry case put it well: “All too often in the choice between the physical health of consumers and the financial well-being of business, concealment is chosen over disclosure, sales over safety, and money over morality. Who are these persons who knowingly and secretly decide to put the buying public at risk solely for the purpose of making profits, and who believe that illness and death of consumers is an apparent cost of their own prosperity?” Above all, the experience of tobacco shows how powerful profits can be as a motivator, even at the cost of millions of lives and unspeakable suffering.

Doubt is our product, since it is the best means of competing with the body of fact that exists in the mind of the general public.

http://youtu.be/muMRxdi2b40





Is that how someone would play dirty? *NONE* of above was actually vegetarian to boot. Shame on them.

[soul food]

You know I saw that article and shook my head and I thought I don't have time...So thanks bbq for your post.

soul food

[Ern2Win]

1. Go the the chart and find poultry
2. Everything below it (huge list!) is more sustainable than meat, poultry, and seafood

Problem solved

Exactly.

Most important, all the starches, as we know provide the bulk of the calories of a vegetarian diet, are way down the list. Comparing 1000 calorie quantities of the likes of lettuce and red bell pepper is ludicrous.

Confusionist tactics at its finest.

[bbq]

Someone could easily pay $25 in cash (with $5/$10/$20 bills) and nothing unusual would happen. Now let's do this instead and we'll see how it goes:



Man Pays Doctor's Bill In Pennies ... And Gets Dragged Into Court
http://www.businessinsider.com/man-fined-for-paying-bill-in-pennies-2012-9

That's pretty much what they did with 468 calories as mentioned above, it's a whole bag of lettuce (a whopping 93 cups) rather than coins.

Of course the problem here is claiming a diet ONLY contains vegetables / coins while in reality that so called "vegetarian" diet does contain both meat AND plant foods. Does it sound more like deception instead of confusion?

[bbq]

Why Vegan Diet Failed In Land Use Study
http://youtu.be/TcTVklSZHA4

LYING JOURNALIST DEBUNKED BY PBN SCIENCE REPORT
http://youtu.be/8j8RjbMl-3I

Carrying capacity of U.S. agricultural land: Ten diet scenarios
https://www.elementascience.org/articles/116

BS from PBS and Quartz:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/earth/going-vegan-isnt-actually-th/
http://qz.com/749443/being-vegan-isnt-as-environmentally-friendly-as-you-think/

Fake chart versus the real deal:


https://www.theatlas.com/i/[email protected]


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