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FakeCanadian wrote:I think I recall f1jim posting about personal experience with muscle damage caused by statins, so I'm sort of directing this question to him, but anyone else with relevant experience, please do chime in.
I've read that a potential side effect of statins is rhabdomyolysis, or muscle damage. f1jim, if you have experience with this, would you mind sharing the signs and symptoms that told you statins were hurting you? Is there a blood test that can indicate rhabdomyolysis? Strength testing? Muscle mass loss? If pain, what sort of pain?
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wade4veg wrote:Of course most people who take statins don't have a problem with muscle damage.
Are you actually experiencing a problem, or just worried that something "might" happen?
I wouldn't let fear of possible problems keep you from taking or continuing with a statin that might be beneficial.
If such a problem arises, one can always stop taking that statin. Very few people who stop have lasting effects.
FakeCanadian wrote:Thanks wade4veg. Two things:
- My 'sense' is I have lost muscle mass and strength over the 3 years I've been on atorvastatin, particularly the past year. I know my 'sense' is highly subjective and, even if valid, could be attributable to many things, including I suppose simple aging. (I'm 58.)
FakeCanadian wrote:- With TC and LDL consistently around 100 and 45 respectively, I wonder if there's any need for me to be on a statin. Am I running the risk, how ever small, of side effects pointlessly? Unfortunately I began taking statin about the same time I adopted Esselstyn's diet, so I don't know where my lipids would settle absent any statin. If they rose to over 150 and/or 80, I'd be happy to continue the statin, no problem. And based on what I've read is the average impact of my statin dose on TC and LDL, I believe my levels may well rise a bit above these benchmarks. (Note that I have known, multiple, severe coronary stenoses and so had a quadruple bypass Oct 2012.)
I'm taking only 10 mg atorvastatin, quite a small dose, which I presume makes the odds of side effects even smaller than average. I once proposed to my Doc that I go to 5 mg, given my lipid levels. He advised against that on the ground that I might lose the "other benefits" (besides cholesterol reduction) of the statin.
f1jim wrote:I had no muscle problems before the prescription for Simvastatin. I started having pain in the muscles above and below the knees on both legs. It got to where I had the pain constantly. I mentioned this to my doctor and he immediately took me off the Simvastatin. Since my total cholesterol was already around 108 I guess he felt safe in removing it. I convinced him to let me take a test after 3 months to see what my levels would be naturally. They came back at 121 and he never pressured me to take another till about a year later. Now at least once a year he tries to get me to try another and I have been adamant about leaving them off. I think if my cholesterol was much higher he would be more insistent.
The bad news is I still have problems with the muscles above my right knee. It seemed to clear up everywhere else but I have weakness and pain under the right circumstances. Those circumstances are a flight of stairs at the right angle and several gym machines that work the legs. It appears the damage is permanent and I am at the point where I wouldn't take the statins under most any circumstances again. It appears that the test used to verify muscle deterioration is not picking up the majority of damage the drugs are doing. I refer you to Dr. Gregers video on the subject:
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/statin-muscle-toxicity/
I urge anyone taking these drugs to watch the video and be aware of the possible consequences. After learning the real scope of the benefits of these drugs anyone following this way of eating would be wise to reassess their drug use.
f1jim
PurplePotato wrote:Here are some of f1jim's thoughts on this from previous threads:
Perhaps most relevant, from the last thread linked:
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