Type 1 Diabetic - 'healthy' hypoglycaemia treatment?

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Re: Type 1 Diabetic - 'healthy' hypoglycaemia treatment?

Postby kilij » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:42 am

I feel like the mother ship is calling me home, having found this thread. I am 35 and was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes just before I turned 4. I started eating a whole foods, plant-based, no oil, low salt & sugar, high nutrient density diet about 11 months ago. I too had to significantly drop my insulin intake.

Annie, you know it took me forever to figure out I needed to change my basal rate depending on my menstrual cycle. While I find it disheartening that none of the barrage of medical professionals I have seen in my life mentioned this to me, I'm glad I had finally figured it out.

Between juice, especially citrus, causing my skin to break out and my dislike for the lack of portability of juice, I use ginger chews to correct my hypos. I also carry raisins in my vehicle and pocket-book for back-up. Although, I do have a preference for the taste of dates over raisins. But they don't seem to keep as well for me.

I'm so excited to have found you guys!
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Re: Type 1 Diabetic - 'healthy' hypoglycaemia treatment?

Postby viv » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:16 am

Welcome Anniebovs!

I do not have personal experience with diabetes, however, for my job, I have to be recertified annually in First Aid through the American Heart Association. They recommend orange juice.
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Re: Type 1 Diabetic - 'healthy' hypoglycaemia treatment?

Postby anniebovs » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:51 am

Oh dear! So sorry if I seemed rude - I don't think I had the topic reply notification thing figured out :oops:

Hello everyone, thanks for posting!

Ken - I have a feeling you may be right about more energy to come although it's already brilliant - occasionally I have bursts of unstoppable energy (but in a good way, not a 'stressy', adrenaline led way) and I feel that more is on the way)

This weekend, I hope, I am changing from Lantus to Levemir - Lantus and I do not get on and it peaks for me after 6 hours and if I 'cover' that with food (currently injecting at 7am and having lunch at 12.30) then the hypo will follow early evening and it's messing everything up. I've finally managed to see a Diabetic Specialist Nurse who believed me!) Once this is stabilised, I will be unstoppable! 8)

I started my new job 4 weeks back and have had plenty of energy to make the fairly big transition from not working for months so that has been brilliant. I know I would have struggled before being plant-strong!

My Lantus doseage is now down to 15 whilst the Humalog has stayed around the same :-)

Mike - sometimes I feel it's a LOT of work but I try to prep. batches of food on a weekend if possible and always make enough quantities of anything possible to freeze! Rice, homemade tortillas (easy and really nice - I'm no baker!) and soups are always in the freezer for those 'oh I can't be bothered after working all day'. I find my slow cooker ('crockpot'?) really useful for soups and 'oooops, best use up all this veg' chillies and couldn't live without it.

I'm still experimenting with recipes etc and am slowly finding things that are staples and easy - bean salads for work lunches - I prep a big container of chopped salad each weekend and it stays fresh for my whole working week.

I guess I agree with Ken, it just seems to get easier and now I don't stress if I miss a weekend of 'prep cooking' - I just wing it and know that I have stuff I can just chuck together and more 'staples' that I know are easy and quick etc

kiij - Hello! :-D Glad I thought about visiting this board this evening! Pleased to meet you!

Yeah - I had to make graphs and all sorts to 'prove' to my healthcare team that something was going on! I have always felt it to be a battle to get any answers to any 'difficult' or 'out of the ordinary' questions to be honest so I feel that the best way is to keep myself educated and then prove it to them! Sometimes I find it quite disheartening!

Also - when I mentioned this to my DSN last week whilst giving her my history, she said that adjusting the basal was not a good idea as, by the time it's caught up, it's too late. She said to adjust the bolus ratio instead which I guess makes more sense, particularly if you're not 'to the day' like me!

Viv - thank you for the further confirmation. OJ and Apple juice seem to be doing the job perfectly for me. As for carrying them around, I bought a plastic freezer/storage box that fits 2 cartons. I'll wait and see before I confirm whether or not it's 'waterproof'...

I promise to check in more often - I have the 'Notify me when a reply is posted' box ticked but have not been receiving any :?:
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Re: Type 1 Diabetic - 'healthy' hypoglycemia treatment?

Postby mike at the river » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:02 pm

Hello! I'm sure OJ is quicker, but I find it convenient to always have raisins (small boxes) w/me, at work, in the car. I follow McDougall plan, but do have to not eat too many carbs at one time, or Blood Glucose will spike. Had too much brown rice last night (appetite not always the best guide) and glucose was high this am. So much of the advice here and elsewhere is geared to overweight, insulin resistant, type II. Good luck to you...Mike
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Re: Type 1 Diabetic - 'healthy' hypoglycaemia treatment?

Postby kilij » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:27 pm

Annie, I'm really glad to hear the job is going well. I use the OmniPod, so I can make faster changes to my basal rates than I could when on Lantus. It's also helpful to me to be able to make slight adjustments to my basal rate in a given day to address things like dawn phenomenon. So, I have the OmniPod programmed for a few different basal rates and swap them out if I see a trend upward in my BG (my cycle isn't perfectly regular either). Is anyone else here using a pump?

I'm taking about 13 units per day for my basal right now. Do you take the majority of your insulin for bolus? I do. I would like for once to not have to defend my bolus to basal ratio with my doctors. They always try to put me in this box with the 50% bolus and 50% basal.

Mike, I totally agree with you about the raisins. There was a time in my life when I tried keeping juice in a cooler in my vehicle and it wasn't pretty! But for me, if I ever have a spike in my BG, I find it will occur within 45 minutes of my having eaten. Maybe it's because I keep my fat intake so low?

Ken, how did you log your data when you were figuring out that meat was impacting your BG 12 hours later?
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Re: Type 1 Diabetic - 'healthy' hypoglycaemia treatment?

Postby KensCircus » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:26 pm

Hi all!

Wow! I thought this thread had died! Great to see all of you here! My work schedule is so inhibiting to following this forum. I really miss a lot. I haven’t even had the time to fully read everyone’s posts, just a skim is all I have managed to this point, but I wanted to check in anyway. So, sorry if I duplicate or misquote anyone!

Anniebovs, it is so wonderful to hear how your energy is on the rise so quickly! It’s interesting that you take your Lantus in the morning. I have always taken it at bedtime. That way the peak occurs about wakeup time, coinciding with the wakeup process glycogen boost. Even so, I still have to take my morning Humalog within a half hour after waking up – even if I don’t have breakfast. Anyway, with that, the Lantus effect remains as desired – in the background.

Regarding the juices, I don’t keep anything perishable. I keep my lunch box, backpack and car stocked with small bottles of juice, example; Motts 100% apple juice in the little 8 oz. bottles. Nonperishable, portable and has a great shelf life. I used to keep little boxes of raisins with me, but have switched to the juices because the raisins are just too slow when needed and adds another peak where I don’t need it. Sometimes, however, when I know a low is going to be broad, such as on a hike or any extended duration activity, I will chase the juice with a box of raisins. If the activity is going to be really long, I will chase it with an “Envirokidz” rice bar (but that is used rarely due to the 22% fat).

Kilij, about my early logging; it did take a while to figure out that different foods had different action rates. Once I realized that, I maintained a constant meal plan every day for a week. I would change one thing the next week, and so on. Somewhat like an elimination diet. Everything was logged; activity, how I felt, insulin, food (everything was weighed – still is), BG (testing average 8 or more times per day – still is). As effects of each food began to surface, it was focused on by either increasing or decreasing the ratio of that food or eliminating it all together depending on the discovered effect. It was also found that the action rates of foods and insulin is not linear. A hypothetical example, if 3 ounces of rice exactly matches 10u of Humalog – that is, BG remains flat-line through pre and postprandial, 6 ounces of rice will not match 20u of Humalog. That seems to be because the effect duration width differs with the amount, so you end up with a high-low-high or vice versa. I suspect that may be because excess calories are stored in the liver, muscle, etc. then released later, extending the duration.

Also, yes my basal / bolus ratio is quite large. My basal is 14 per day and bolus averages 35 per day. It seems most doctors try to associate T1’s with T2’s. I too used to dread going to the doctor because of the constant battle – but no more! I have recently changed my Primary Care Physician to a wonderful vegan doctor (http://www.allmedphysicians.com/) who actually pays attention and listens! New blood-work was ordered and for the first time ever, blood insulin was measured. The results:
Blood insulin: 0.7 uIU/mL. The normal range is 2.6 to 24.9 uIU/mL
A1C: 5.6%. Normal range – 4.1 to 6.0% for non-diabetics.
This resulted in a round of jumping applause from my new doctor. This is in contrast to my previous doctor that would have been freaked over the A1C. He always wanted me to keep it above 7%! Dr. Carney said that to have a normal A1C with below normal blood insulin was beyond excellent!
Lipid panel:
Total cholesterol: 131 mg/dl
Triglycerides: 71 mg/dl
HDL cholesterol: 46 mg/dl
LDL cholesterol: 14 mg/dl
The 14 mg/dl LDL cholesterol prompted another round of jumping applause.

About the energy thing: I have come to the conclusion that maximum energy occurs with the lowest insulin resistance. With that, everything is the most reactive; small doses of insulin makes big changes, small intakes of fat makes big changes, small changes of anything makes big changes. Sounds awful, but it’s really wonderful! That just means you are really in very sharp control and everything is running super-efficient. I love it!

I just love this thread! It’s so refreshing to actually communicate with other T1’s, hearing about and learning from everyone’s experiences. I use to be a very lonely T1, but not anymore - thanks to all of you!

Ken
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Re: Type 1 Diabetic - 'healthy' hypoglycemia treatment?

Postby mike at the river » Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:26 am

Ken, Good hearing from you. Your blood work is incredible! Went to a great vegan potluck tonight. Many dishes (which I'll never make, but nice to know they can be done). A couple there had attended a program by Dr Furhman, who does limit carbs and advocates veggies and nuts (and fats) more than Dr McDougall. I still like Dr McDougall, but do have to limit amount of cabs at one time to avoid high glucose. Dr Furhman apparently claims excellent results with T 1 diabetics. Both diets have to be 200% better than SAD. With all your testing and logging and records, its no wonder you succeed. Wonder how many other are as vigilant.
Also, just finishing Dr Pam Popper's new book. "Food over Medicine". Its great, very quick read yet authoritative and interesting. Was recommended by my great Vegan doctor. Well it's late, take care all....Mike
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