Men's Journal interview with Dr Fuhrman

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Re: Men's Journal interview with Dr Fuhrman

Postby veggiesusie » Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:09 pm

Fasting is a very beneficial tool, anyone who is interested in health should become familiar with. It could save your life.

"Dr. Campbell was extremely ill...and he regained his health through water fasting"

Dr Colin Campbell believes in the benefits of Water Fasting and here is what he says about it.
http://vegsource.com/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/archive/news/20120316204011/

He did his fast at the TureNorth health center in Santa Rosa, Ca
http://www.healthpromoting.com/water-fasting

Here is some of the research Dr Alan Goldhammer has conducted on water fasting.
http://www.healthpromoting.com/water-fasting/fasting-research

Please notice Dr T Colin Campbell is listed as one of the coauthors in all the studies.posted

Water fasting is safe if conducted properly.
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Re: Men's Journal interview with Dr Fuhrman

Postby shell-belle » Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:17 pm

veggiesusie wrote:Fasting is a very beneficial tool, anyone who is interested in health should become familiar with. It could save your life.

"Dr. Campbell was extremely ill...and he regained his health through water fasting"

Dr Colin Campbell believes in the benefits of Water Fasting and here is what he says about it.
http://vegsource.com/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/archive/news/20120316204011/

He did his fast at the TureNorth health center in Santa Rosa, Ca
http://www.healthpromoting.com/water-fasting

Here is some of the research Dr Alan Gold has conducted on water fasting.
http://www.healthpromoting.com/water-fasting/fasting-research

Please notice Dr T Colin Campbell is listed as one of the coauthors in all the studies.posted

Water fasting is safe if conducted properly.
Please know your facts on water fasting before posting negative comments on it.


totally agree with veggiesusie--fasting for 1-3 days is something most all of us can do and benefit from.

fasting rests the digestive system
it allows for cleansing and detoxification of the body
it creates a break in eating patterns, while shining a spotlight on them
it promotes greater mental clarity
it can cleanse and heal "stuck" emotional patterns
it can lead to a feeling of physical lightness & increased energy level
and it promotes an inner stillness - enhancing spiritual connection
try it for a day sometime. it won't hurt you. it's wonderful not to bother with food & food prep for a day or two now and then. and you will enjoy eating so much more again when you resume taking in food. i have done many, many 1-2 fasts in my life beginning when i was 30 something.
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Re: Men's Journal interview with Dr Fuhrman

Postby VeggieSue » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:58 pm

veggiesusie wrote:Here is some of the research Dr Alan Gold has conducted on water fasting.


Do you mean Dr. Goldhamer, or is there another doctor, a Dr. Alan Gold?
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Re: Men's Journal interview with Dr Fuhrman

Postby vgpedlr » Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:15 pm

Dr. Fuhrman's first book was about the therapeutic benefit of water only fasting. I read it and thought it was quite interesting. I doubt that it would be necessary in very many situations, but in serious illness it sometimes happens anyway.
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Re: Men's Journal interview with Dr Fuhrman

Postby noelalexis2000 » Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:34 pm

I have to agree with him on flu shots. Never had one and plan to never get one. 65 and doing fine without them! :-D
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Re: Men's Journal interview with Dr Fuhrman

Postby veggiesusie » Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:03 pm

Thank you veggiesue for pointing out the mistake, yes Dr Alan Goldhammer.
Truenorth is an excellent facility, According to their website
The Center is now the largest facility in the world that specializes in medically supervised water-only fasting.


Here is a list of the doctors on staff
http://www.healthpromoting.com/clinic-services/doctors
A lot of people here will be very familiar with Dr Kalper.
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Re: Men's Journal interview with Dr Fuhrman

Postby Chile » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:10 pm

veggiesusie wrote: "Dr. Campbell was extremely ill...and he regained his health through water fasting"

Dr Colin Campbell believes in the benefits of Water Fasting and here is what he says about it.
http://vegsource.com/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/archive/news/20120316204011/

He did his fast at the TureNorth health center in Santa Rosa, Ca
http://www.healthpromoting.com/water-fasting


Dr. Goldhamer mentioned this when I was at TrueNorth. He said Campbell's new book (to be published May 2013) will include an account of his fasting experience. Should be interesting!
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Re: Men's Journal interview with Dr Fuhrman

Postby FitKid » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:41 am

Great post, thanks!

Dr. Fuhrman is awesome and so is Shelton who appears to have heavily influenced Fuhrman. Raw food is really awesome!!! He supports phytochemicals which few do, but not enzymes. There is some evidence on enzymes, personally I think there's something to it.

If there's anything i would nitpick is that Fuhrman say if you must have animal products consume low fat dairy and chicken. Personally this just doesn't blend with me nor do the supplements he sells.

I like him a lot though.
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Re: Men's Journal interview with Dr Fuhrman

Postby AlwaysAgnes » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:27 am

FitKid wrote:Great post, thanks!

Dr. Fuhrman is awesome and so is Shelton who appears to have heavily influenced Fuhrman. Raw food is really awesome!!! He supports phytochemicals which few do, but not enzymes. There is some evidence on enzymes, personally I think there's something to it.

If there's anything i would nitpick is that Fuhrman say if you must have animal products consume low fat dairy and chicken. Personally this just doesn't blend with me nor do the supplements he sells.

I like him a lot though.



He supports phytochemicals but not enzymes? :? What does that even mean? How much nutrition can a body get from phytochemicals without enzymes?
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/enzyme

http://www.enzymeessentials.com/HTML/print_tour.html
"Enzymes are an absolute necessity to live."


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Re: Men's Journal interview with Dr Fuhrman

Postby veggiesusie » Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:34 pm

He supports phytochemicals which few do, but not enzymes. There is some evidence on enzymes, personally I think there's something to it.


Some raw fooders have made the claim that cooking foods destroys the enzymes,
which effects digestion.That is why we should eat only raw foods.

Here is what Dr Fuhrman say about enzynes, there are very important. This quote was taken from his march 2004 newsletter, titled "The Cold truth about the Raw Food Diets" I think it will clear up some of the confusion.


Many vitamins are
water-soluble, and a significant percent
can be lost with cooking, especially
overcooking. Similarly, many
plant enzymes function as phytochemical
nutrients in our body and
can be useful to maximize health.
They, too, can be destroyed by overcooking.
Enzymes are proteins that work
to speed up or “catalyze” chemical
reactions. Every living cell makes
enzymes for its own activities.
Human cells are no exception. Our
glands secrete enzymes into the
digestive tract to aid in the digestion
of food.However, after they are
ingested, the enzymes contained in
plants do not function as enhancements
or replacements for human
digestive enzymes.These molecules
exist to serve the plant’s purpose,
not ours. The plant enzymes get
digested by our own digestive
juices along with the rest of the
food and are absorbed and utilized
as nutrients.
Contrary to what many raw-food
web sites claim, the enzymes contained
in the plants we eat do not
catalyze chemical reactions that
occur in humans. The plant enzymes
merely are broken down
into simpler molecules by our own
powerful digestive juices. Even
when the food is consumed raw,
plant enzymes do not aid in their
own digestion inside the human
body. It is not true that eating raw
food demands less enzyme production
by your body, and dietary
enzymes inactivated by cooking
have an insignificant effect on your
health and your body’s enzymes.
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Re: Men's Journal interview with Dr Fuhrman

Postby didi » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:58 pm

Re: please know your facts about water fasting before posting comments on it. I know nothing about water fasting and was not aware Dr. Fuhrman used water fasting to get down to 88 pounds if indeed he did. However, I do know that women who are anorexic and reduce their weight to 88 pounds are mentally ill. I can't imagine that any mental health professional would accept the excuse that they got down to that weight for their health. People who lose that much weight are candidates for interventions. The average woman and therefore the average anorexic is about 5'5" and I have seen pictures of 88 pound anorexic women. I can only imagine what a 5'10" man looks like at 88 lbs. My daughter, a ballerina at one time was only 5'1" and at her thinnest weighed 102 pounds. Had she gotten down to 88 pounds we would have seen to it that she stopped dancing.

Fasting, besides a possible health choice, has been among the religious traditions of many faiths. But a 5'10" man of 88 lbs boggles the imagination.

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Re: Men's Journal interview with Dr Fuhrman

Postby FitKid » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:04 pm

veggiesusie wrote:
He supports phytochemicals which few do, but not enzymes. There is some evidence on enzymes, personally I think there's something to it.


Some raw fooders have made the claim that cooking foods destroys the enzymes,
which effects digestion.That is why we should eat only raw foods.

Here is what Dr Fuhrman say about enzynes, there are very important. This quote was taken from his march 2004 newsletter, titled "The Cold truth about the Raw Food Diets" I think it will clear up some of the confusion.


Many vitamins are
water-soluble, and a significant percent
can be lost with cooking, especially
overcooking. Similarly, many
plant enzymes function as phytochemical
nutrients in our body and
can be useful to maximize health.
They, too, can be destroyed by overcooking.
Enzymes are proteins that work
to speed up or “catalyze” chemical
reactions. Every living cell makes
enzymes for its own activities.
Human cells are no exception. Our
glands secrete enzymes into the
digestive tract to aid in the digestion
of food.However, after they are
ingested, the enzymes contained in
plants do not function as enhancements
or replacements for human
digestive enzymes.These molecules
exist to serve the plant’s purpose,
not ours. The plant enzymes get
digested by our own digestive
juices along with the rest of the
food and are absorbed and utilized
as nutrients.
Contrary to what many raw-food
web sites claim, the enzymes contained
in the plants we eat do not
catalyze chemical reactions that
occur in humans. The plant enzymes
merely are broken down
into simpler molecules by our own
powerful digestive juices. Even
when the food is consumed raw,
plant enzymes do not aid in their
own digestion inside the human
body. It is not true that eating raw
food demands less enzyme production
by your body, and dietary
enzymes inactivated by cooking
have an insignificant effect on your
health and your body’s enzymes.


The book "Becoming Raw" is a good place to get started.
Many phytochemicals and enzymes do get destroyed by cooking, there are over 20,000 only a small number have even been named or functions studied.

Some phytochemicals and nutrients are improved by cooking too. I am not completely on the raw food side either.

As far as cooking goes, most forms cause protein cross linking, AGEs HCAs, Acrylimides etc. So as far as the grounds for cooking goes unless your steaming, boiling etc. you're standing on shaky ground.

As far as enzymes are concerned look up myrosinase and it's function. They do play a role in human health and there are lots that is simply not understood. I am not defending the theories out there but I am saying there might be more to it than what is presently understood. We know that proteins, enzymes etc. can probably survive the stomach, there's enough examples of this.

So thanks for clearing up what Fuhrman's position is but I do enough reading to see that there are large gaps in the evidence to date.
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Re: Men's Journal interview with Dr Fuhrman

Postby FitKid » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:52 am

There's lots that I'd like to add if we are having a raw food discussion...

I have a book called "Raw Logic", it's little use to most people without a strong background in biochemistry. The book is simply astonishing and provides powerful scientific basis for the benefits of raw foods and well as highlighting areas of possible research. Also the many dangers of cooking toxins and the many types produced.

I know of medical professionals that are raw foodists such as an immunologist and even my clients who have only managed to stop and reverse disease and illness processes by going raw to the amazement of other specialists.

There's lots and lots to this... myrosinase is one area that's got a bit of attention, apparently there's thousands more. Raw food really is medicine of that I have no doubt. Starches may make up for calories but not all the thousands of nutrients that aren't even known. It just isn't that simple.

I've been told about two dimensional gel proteomics in helping uncover and identify these elements. But there is little money in investigating raw plant matter. There is private research being conducted and it's fascinating.

Have no doubt even with the research in the mainstream the scientific basis for raw foodism and the avoidance of cooking toxins exists. So if you want to knock raw food and are eating something like bread or anything grilled, browned yep plant based foods especially... it has inevitably undergone Maillard chemistry and has up to a million times more carcinogens.

So enzymes are real, they have an effect on the body and there's more to learn. Raw food has a scientific basis, that's a fact.

Personally from the people I've met and those who have recovered from "incurable" late stage cancer by doing a specific raw food diet... and then asking the immunologist about them... I would unhesitating recommend raw food to them. (not a junk high fat version, many are low in calories too but it depends on the individual)

The one client that's on an all raw diet is under the supervision of the immunologist I've spoken about. It's real and being practiced in the medical community, just the public doesn't get to hear about it. My client after getting his test results confronted his other specialist (very senior) who pulled out their text books and basically said... symptom, blood test, medication. They previously had rubbished nutrition then admitted to not being educated enough to make any recommendations.

Shelton who was a raw foodist from his "natural hygiene" era obviously taught Fuhrman a lot. Shelton saw a lot of healing take place and assisted Fuhrman who obviously fasted and put his life on the line (excessively in my opinion). Fuhrman would be privy to a lot of information and no doubt the same information contained in "Raw Logic".

I've been told by experts that still to this day despite learning about cooking toxins, we know little of how it all works and there's little money going into raw food study. Although plenty into "organic food chemisty". There's a lot more to it but that's a small snippet.

Personally the reason for starches for me is one thing - Calories, Dr. McDougall hit the nail on the head perfectly, we need calories. If necessary it can sustain us but all those old cultures knew about plants and the necessity to consume them and their medicinal properties, ALL cultures.
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Re: Men's Journal interview with Dr Fuhrman

Postby didi » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:30 am

I eat lots of raw foods but cooked food too. Our closest primate raw food eating ancestors live in a very narrow region of the earth and when their habitat goes, so do they. Cooking releases more energy in starches which can be eaten raw but raw will not provide the brain with enough glucose and the body with enough energy. Cooked starches probably are what enabled our ancient human ancestors to grow bigger brains and live in other environments all over the world. The Hadza tribe women of east africa prize and seek out as husbands men who are good hunters and will bring home lots of honey. Yet, the bulk of their diet is from a tuber which the women gather. They eat it raw as they gather it but bring it back to camp to cook. It is a luxury, in our culture to eat raw food, much of which is imported from long distances. I understand that this country, because of government subsidies for certain crops does not even produce enough fruits and vegetables for the population to consume in healthful quantities. And in winter months we have to depend on frozen or canned food if we want vegetables that would be eaten raw when in season.

I am not knowledgeable about what enzymes from plants are supposed to do for humans. I do know that the enzymes we produce in our own bodies are part of our own metabolism and plant enzymes are produced for the use of plants. While I understand the need for vitamins, minerals and phytochemicals, I am not convinced that plant enzymes are necessary for humans. Aren't they destroyed during the process of digestion?

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Re: Men's Journal interview with Dr Fuhrman

Postby TerriT » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:59 pm

didi wrote:Fasting, besides a possible health choice, has been among the religious traditions of many faiths. But a 5'10" man of 88 lbs boggles the imagination.

Didi


I agree with you, I find this very difficult to imagine. I am 5'4" and in my late teens and early 20s I weighed 95 lbs (and was actively trying to put on weight). I can't imagine a man 6" taller than me weighing less than I weighed then.
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