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JeffN wrote:Hi Jaggu,
It is irrelevant what people "say" as 1000s of people are saying 1000s of different things unless there is reputable scientific evidence to support this.
Jeff Novick, MS, RD
gail f wrote:Jeff, Can you provide more details about this observation. I am on the McDougall diet in order to lower my LDL, and to raise my HDL2...but I have been under pressure from my acupuncturist, and other health conscious people, to add fish oil capsules. Is your observation tied to a particular amount of oil, was it based on a single study ? I am trying to sort it out. Thank you, Gail
gail f wrote: Sorry about the confusion. I was referrng to your statement (above) that: "Increases (worsening) in low-density lipoprotein levels ("bad cholesterol") by 5-10% are observed with intake of omega-3 fatty acids. Effects are dose-dependent."
gail f wrote:I did not know whether you were talking about 3-4g amounts, and I found myself wanting to know more details (for the past several days I have added a 1000 mg Norwegian deep water fish oil capsule to my diet, otherwise I do not add oils).
gail f wrote: My acupuncturist was so concerned about my not taking any added oils that she loaned me her special cardiac training materials last weekend. Among other things, these materials discussed the VAP cholesterol test and made detailed recommendations based on problematic blood findings (like low HDL2, for example). When I received my VAP results this week I reviewed the notes that I had made from the training materials, and I particularly noticed that low HDL2 levels were attributed to low fat diets (among other things). I believe that the training materials referenced work by Mary Enig (not in the particular HDL2 recommendation, but in several other places.). I am not familiar with her work.
gail f wrote: It is hard for me to know what to make of Dr. Davis's statement about ultra low fat diets...especially the part about some people moving closer to metabolic syndrome (do you have any clue about what he is relying on ?)
gail f wrote: One other thing. I cannot tell from your posting above whether you feel tests like the VAP test, which tests particle sizes and subclasses of both LDL and HDL, are useful tools ? ( I had thought that my low HDL2 reading was significant, but I conclude from what you posted that you do not agree that HDL #'s are useful.)
gail f wrote: Are there any tests that you find particularly helpful ?.
Jaggu wrote:When HDL on low fat diet goes down we refer to Dean Ornish's article on why and how HDL on low fat diet goes down and why it is not an issue.
Jaggu wrote:When Dean recommends to use Fish oil, we disagree with him.
Jaggu wrote: Some places we agree with AHA, other places we don't
Jaggu wrote: So it can be very confusing for layman, it's good that Jeff is digging through the research that's been done, studies that have been conducted and making us aware of all this so when we make choices, we are confident about it..a requirement if we are to firmly stick with the lifestyle choices.
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