dstewart wrote:Wollen may have had the best argument presented--and still he had a lousy argument that was all cliches, non sequiturs--and emotion-jerking. I think that most of his argument (which was the one posted here; I didn't need to see the others to observe the quality of his, even if the other arguments are of lower quality) is the same as your paraphrase of the meat-heads' argument: It is HIS emotions.
Let's take a step back and go over the points which Mr. Wollen made. Of these points, most were statistical facts and could be easily confirmed with a few minutes of research. Perhaps you listened to a different version, but these points are quite compelling - even though they are brief.
- Animals must be off the menu because tonight they are screaming in terror in the slaughterhouse, in crates, and cages. This is observational, but valid for this argument.
-And in their capacity to suffer, a dog is a pig is a bear. . . . . . is a boy.We are now learning about how animals suffer and they do suffer in a similar capacity to people.
-CO2, Methane, and Nitrous Oxide from the livestock industry are killing our oceans with acidic, hypoxic Dead Zones.True
-90% of small fish are ground into pellets to feed livestock.True
-Vegetarian cows are now the worldâ€™s largest ocean predator.True
-The oceans are dying in our time. By 2048 all our fisheries will be dead. True
-Billions of bouncy little chicks are ground up alive simply because they are male.True
-Only 100 billion people have ever lived. 7 billion alive today. And we torture and kill 2 billion animals every week.True
-10,000 entire species are wiped out every year because of the actions of one species.
I haven't confirmed the numbers, but I believe it is true.
-Animal Rights is now the greatest Social Justice issue since the abolition of slavery.This is opinion, but the implications are valid.
-Meat is a killing industry â€“ animals, us and our economies.True
-Medicare has already bankrupted the US. They will need $8 trillion invested in Treasury bills just to pay the interest. It has precisely zero!!I believe this is true
-They could shut every school, army, navy, air force, and Marines, the FBI and CIA â€“ and they still wonâ€™t be able to pay for it.Without looking at the numbers, I believe this to be true.
-Cornell and Harvard sayâ€™s that the optimum amount of meat for a healthy diet is precisely ZERO.I haven't checked this.
-Water is the new oil. Nations will soon be going to war for it.Opinion, but historical events in South America has shown this to be a very real future.
-It takes 50,000 litres of water to produce one kilo of beef.True
-1 billion people today are hungry. 20 million people will die from malnutrition. True
-Cutting meat by only 10% will feed 100 million people. Eliminating meat will end starvation forever.Opinion, but a mathematical possibility if people shifted their priorities and actually fed the poor or at least made food accessible to them.
-If everyone ate a Western diet, we would need 2 Planet Earths to feed them. We only have one. True
-Greenhouse gas from livestock is 50% more than transport . . . . . planes, trains, trucks, cars, and ships.True
-Poor countries sell their grain to the West while their own children starve in their arms. And we feed it to livestock. True, even if dramatic.
-If any nation had developed weapons that could wreak such havoc on the planet, we would launch a pre-emptive military strike and bomb it into the Bronze Age.
Opinion, but certainly possible given our history.
-Meat is like 1 and 2 cent coins. It costs more to make than it is worth.True
-And farmers are the ones with the most to gain. Farming wonâ€™t end. It would boom. Only the product line would change. True and validated by many farmers who have switched from livestock to crop production.
-Governments will love us. New industries would emerge and flourish. Health insurance premiums would plummet. Hospital waiting lists would disappear.Opinion, but very likely to be true.
-The peace map is drawn on a menu. Peace is not just the absence of war. It is the presence of Justice. Justice must be blind to race, colour, religion or species. Can't argue that.
So, in the end, I think Mr. Wollen has made several valid arguments (in ten minutes) which is hard to counter, since the points are based on fact. Of course, one can present facts emotionally, but that doesn't diminish the impact it gives.