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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:11 am 
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Dr. Esselstyn talks in his videos about caps forming over the small plaques when you are on his diet. If caps don't form, then the plaques could burst and form clots causing a heart attack. Does anyone know exactly what the caps are made of or how they form just by eating the plant, fat free diet? These caps aren't calcium are they?

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 Post subject: Re: cap on cholesterol
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:10 am 
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 Post subject: Re: cap on cholesterol
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:12 pm 
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Very informative. Except how exactly does Esselstyn's diet and cholesterol lowering toughen up the cap so it doesn't burst? Because of this he says you never have to have a heart attack again.

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 Post subject: Re: cap on cholesterol
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:57 pm 
Hi didi,

It was my understanding that the foamy cells which are the most dangerous are simply not produced (or at a minimum) in one who eats plant based. Ingesting no added fat or cholesterol also allows for time for any existing plaques to form that protective fibrous cap. I would think in a person eating SAD that it a persons arterial plaque would always be in a state of flux, and the body would have a hard time creating the cap that is needed to stabilize the plaque.

I know my numbers have shocked me by jumping up from my lowest, at 150 tc, to 186, to 217 by simply adding a few bites and tastes of foods containing oil or fats. I am very, very sensitive to added fats and processed foods. I was still plant based..no meats..but had slipped and become lax. I simply cannot have anything other than plant based, oil free foods or my cholesterol skyrockets. I can only imagine that at 217 all of the little arterial plaques that I undoubtedly have (at age 51) were becoming larger and weaker-capped with the addition of more lipid-junk on a cellular level.

Both of my parents had heart issues in their 60's, which meant they were headed there at least ten years before...my age now.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:59 pm 
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My mother passed from heart disease at 72. Interesting question DIdI and responses. Very informative.

I love the graphics in "Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease". Sometimes a picture says it all:)

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I enjoyed this too:

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However, it is not the old, larger plaques that put you most at risk for heart attacks. The most recent scientific evidence indicates that most heart attacks occur when younger and smaller fatty plaques rupture their outer lining, or cap, and bleed into the coronary artery.

As the plaque is formed, a fibrous cap develops at its roof, which is covered by a single layer of endothelium about as thick as a cobweb. For a while, thus protected, plaques lie quietly in place, doing little perceptible harm to the artery’s owner. But an insidious process is nonetheless under way. The white blood cells that raced to the rescue, now engorged with oxidized LDL cholesterol, are called “foam cells,” and begin to manufacture chemical substances that erode the cap of the plaque. The cap weakens to the thickness of a cobweb. And eventually, the shearing force of blood flowing over the weakened cap may cause it to rupture.

This is catastrophic. Plaque content or pus now oozes into the flowing bloodstream, and that constitutes a thrombogenic event: nature wants to heal the rupture, and so platelets are activated. They try mightily to stop the invading garbage by clotting the rupture. Thus begins a lethal cascade. The clot is self-propagating, and within minutes, the entire artery may become blocked.

With no more blood flowing through the blocked artery, the heart muscle that was nourished by it begins to die. This is the definition of myocardial infarction, or heart attack. If the person survives this attack, the dead portion of heart muscle scars. Multiple heart attacks and widespread scarring weaken the heart, sometimes causing it to fail. That condition is known as congestive heart failure. If the heart attack is extensive, if it results in an abnormal rhythmical contraction, or if the congestive heart failure is prolonged, the person may die.

If the same process of plaque formation occurs in a noncoronary artery, it can be just as dangerous. Whatever tissue the artery supplies-it could be the leg muscles or even the brain—will not receive its full measure of blood. What’s more, a piece of a plaque or a clot can break loose and be carried through the bloodstream, ultimately obstructing an artery far from its source.

Dr. Esselstyn's Kindle edition of "Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease".


I have witnessed so many people who have suffered heart disease. Mahalo for clarifying the importance of a plant strong diet even more. It takes the FEAR (false evidence appearing real) out of it. Grateful for being starch centered.

Aloha, patty


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 Post subject: Re: cap on cholesterol
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:25 am 
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Thanks. I have Esselstyn's book and did not make particular note of those paragraphs. So what I am getting is--it is not what you are eating but what you are NOT eating that will prevent the fibrous caps from eroding. That makes sense (if I got that right). Anything that oxidizes the cholesterol causes the caps to erode not giving them time to thicken up.

I don't know about you guys but when I have correct information it makes it easier to stay on plan.

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 Post subject: Re: cap on cholesterol
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:30 am 
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And ultimately, not forming the plaques that depend on a cap to prevent them from eroding. We don't have to worry about caps if we don't form plaques in the first place. Esselstyns diet clearly meets that goal. Some of us are more results oriented than process oriented. Why he gets these results is interesting but for me it's not nearly as important as the fact that he gets those outcomes.
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 Post subject: Re: cap on cholesterol
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:29 am 
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Jim

What is so alarming about Didi's life experience is she did say, "No" to stents. In a ER setting I can just imagine the cortisol (the stress hormone) rushing through out her body, where she was subjected to a MI. The more we connect the dots why a plant base diet works, the more it diffuses the misinformation of the confrontation of the person in a white coat with a 300 lb monkey on his/her back. Food and money addiction go hand and hand on the addiction bus that no one gets thrown off. We feed off each other:) That is why these virtual realty communities work. She has no investment if we get healthy or not. I love this from Dr. Esselstyn's Kindle Edition of "Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease".
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University of Maryland School of Medicine in Baltimore, has conducted some astonishing studies that demonstrate, among other things, what a toxic effect a single meal can have on the endothelium.6 Dr. Vogel used ultrasound to measure the diameters of the brachial arteries of a group of students. Then he inflated blood pressure cuffs on the students’ arms, stopping blood flow to their forearms for five minutes. After deflating the cuffs, he used the ultrasound to see how fast the arteries sprang back to their normal condition.

One group of students then ate a fast-food breakfast that contained 900
calories and 50 grams of fat. A second group ate 900-calorie breakfasts containing no fat at all. After they ate, Dr. Vogel again constricted their brachial arteries for five minutes and watched to see the result. It was dramatic. Among those who consumed no fat, there was simply no problem: their arteries bounced back to normal just as they had in the prebreakfast test. But the arteries of those who had eaten the fat-laden fast food took far longer to respond.

Why? The answer lies in the effect of fat on the endothelium’s ability to produce nitric oxide. Dr. Vogel closely monitored endothelial function of subjects and found that two hours after eating a fatty meal there was a significant drop. It took nearly six hours, in fact, for endothelial function to get back to normal.

My oldest son shared he had this massive feeling on his chest. He doesn't have medical insurance, and has two friends who didn't have weight problems, had by-passes. After tweaking his diet, not perfect plant base and exercising he has lost a lot of weight and needless to say the massive/elephant on the chest left. The more information we have the more forewarned we are. There are many ways to burn down a house. The 'No-Placebo' effect of ER's is the foundation of how hospital's make their 80% profit off heart disease.

I am so grateful for Didi's and your life experience as healing is a I am that I am to We are We. Life is a wedding banquet where the wedding is within. It is a inside job.

Aloha, patty


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 Post subject: Re: cap on cholesterol
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:07 am 
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Jim, re preventing plaques in the first place: I am begging my children to be careful of what they are feeding my grandchildren in order to prevent the development of plaques. Unfortunately for me that ship has already sailed. The most I can do now is follow a healthful whole food eating plan which might prevent new plaques but will (I hope) prevent any progress in the growth of the plaques already there, perhaps induce some reversal and prevent small plaques from bursting.

We work with what we have.

Patty, I said no to stents until I coded. Dr. Esselstyn says sometimes stents are absolutely life saving. Was that my case? I don't know. I do know that there is some question (which hasn't yet been studied but is passed around among those on some internet groups) that stopping Plavix (which is absolutely necessary after a drug eluting stent) can cause a rebound effect and provoke heart attack or stroke. Evidently stopping Plavix often causes immediate restenosis. So I happen to be damned if I do and damned if I don't.

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 Post subject: Re: cap on cholesterol
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:05 am 
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didi wrote:

Patty, I said no to stents until I coded. Dr. Esselstyn says sometimes stents are absolutely life saving. Was that my case? I don't know. I do know that there is some question (which hasn't yet been studied but is passed around among those on some internet groups) that stopping Plavix (which is absolutely necessary after a drug eluting stent) can cause a rebound effect and provoke heart attack or stroke. Evidently stopping Plavix often causes immediate restenosis. So I happen to be damned if I do and damned if I don't.

Didi


My concern is the cortisol (the lack of information/education), as just getting a blood pressure test at the doctor's office vs. taken at home shows the power of the white coat syndrome. Culturally the unhealthy entanglement we subconsciously have with the medical industry has to be undone as with the food industry. I am so grateful you didn't stay paralyzed with the situation and did seek help. It is just with lack of information/education with the medical community, we actually can be scared to death.

Feedback with intent.. just as getting out of bed, putting our feet on the floor, is so important for our health. Dr. Esselystn shares it takes about 5 hours to sit and explain to a patient the ramifications of how powerful a plant base diet is. Can you imagine what happens when a person is told they have Aids. So I wonder in just sharing to someone they have heart disease.. could be enough to code them. As Dr.Esselstyn shares heart disease is a paper tiger as it is food borne illness. Aids means service.

Feedback is important to know somethings can be changed in the future and somethings from the past, can be changed by the way we feel about it. I am just so grateful you are alive (in form:) today. Having a stent is like plan A or B, because it is what you do with it:) Again Mahalo Didi for the dynamic heart sharing! You make a difference! Look at Dr. McDougall ... his electures about heart disease from his personal experience tells us the body doesn't lie. It is our best ally to a heartfelt future. Change ourself and we change the world.

Aloha, patty


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 Post subject: Re: cap on cholesterol
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:01 am 
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Your ship might have set sail but righting the diet will, over time reverse the process and stop the formation of new, young, plaques that are a real danger. The reduction in the diameter of arteries is from plaque formation and the body healing itself over those plaques. Stop the formation of plaques and the body can begin to reverse what is there. Translation: Hope for us older folks! Dr. Esselstyns documentation says this works well for middle age and much older people. I am banking on it working for me much as you are.
Let's find out if it works for us.
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