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 Post subject: HUNGRY FOR CHANGE FREE TO VIEW MOVIE
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:39 pm 
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http://www.hungryforchange.tv/

It is open to view for free on line if you sign up and the link will show for you to see the film. David Wolf, Dr. Mercola and many others talk about SAD.

(I was not sure if it is permitted to post up a link to someone elses marketed product. I felt it was good viewing for everyone as much of it backs up everything here. If I have made a mistake in posting such a link please let me know and/or remove or I will remove it)

If it is ok thought it would make a good discussion of what we all thought about the film. Enjoy!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:11 am 
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It wasn't this diet of course, they mentioned wild salmon and olive oil as well as juicing. I enjoyed it but was dismayed that they didn't have more practical info. There were too many "experts" with a wild variety of ideas of what makes a healthy diet.


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I haven't finished the whole thing, I've been watching it bit by bit, but from what I've gleaned already it seems like they're condemning sugar (even starches, it looks like) as the culprit for weight gain. They say "the fat you eat is not the fat you wear," and that sugar, be it white table sugar or too much white potatoes is what makes people fat and addicted.

Not sure many here would agree with that


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Watched it and again I don't agree with some of the facts such as oil and fish...or the starches but overall the message is the same...we are what we eat.....

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This movie is basically advocating a paleo diet! They say that corn, potatoes etc. are equivalent to all other sugars, and they make you fat. They also say we need "good fats and proteins".

Other than agreeing that the current "food products" most Americans eat are ruining their health and are devoid of the nutrients our bodies need, this movie is completely, polar-opposite of anything McDougall teaches about proper diet, healthy weight, and well-being.


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I don't believe dr mercola is a credible source for anything. Just my personal opinion. I'll stick with dr McDougall, Jeff Novick and the rest of the great professionals who work with them.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:33 am 
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indeed.
too many high fat quacks,
no real experts, more fake gurus


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Greetings,

I'm not even sure what the message of the movie was...it was all over the place. Some of the experts seemed to be vegetarian or vegan, some were into juicing, some were just downright weird.

There was a glaring lack of any real science, just lots of opinions. Even those opinions seemed incongruent. Some of the so-called "Experts" were questionable at best. The movie ended with a positive-thinking, new age speech.

I had seen stuff like this for years, and it never convinced me to do anything. Thank goodness I found Dr. McDougall. I wouldn't recommend this movie to anyone.


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I don't believe dr mercola is a credible source for anything. Just my personal opinion. I'll stick with dr McDougall, Jeff Novick and the rest of the great professionals who work with them.



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 Post subject: Re: HUNGRY FOR CHANGE FREE TO VIEW MOVIE
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I received a link to this today from Ocean Robbins. I was shocked as I watched it, especially when one of those people said that it is not "fat that makes you fat but sugar". And then they proceeded to list corn, potatoes, flour, etc. as sources of sugar and thus of being the cause of obesity.

This causes confusion in me. Who is correct in this nutritional journey? I have never met Dr. McDougall, Dr. Esselystyn or Dr. Campbell. Yet I find myself believing what they write. Then I view this video and I begin to think I should only be ingesting fruits, veggies, nuts, seeds and water. And that it is ok to juice them. But stay away, for the most part, from grains, potatoes, corn and white rice - although I am not sure they were referring to ground grains or whole grains. And does that make a difference - whole vs ground?

Since moving towards a plant based diet, I find myself reading the Sunday obituarys and wondering when I see someone lived to be 85 or 89 or 94 years of age, "Were they vegans?"

Does one live longer eating plant based? My father died at 83. He was the steak, hot dogs and "America lives on Duncan" person. My mother is 85 and just quit working at the age o 84. She loves icecream! You cannot make her not eat it. It makes me wonder if it really matters. I took the "Plant Based Nutrition" course offered by the T. Colin Campbell Foundation and eCornell. At times, I felt like I was being brainwashed into believing that milk and products made from it are "evil".

Obviously I have trust issues. Why should I believe Dr. Campbell? Or Dr. McDougall? Or Dr. Esselstyn? My blood panel has improved since following a plant based diet, but according to the numbers the above referenced Dr.s list, mine are no where near perfect. And I have been doing the vegan, oops, I mean the plant based for close to two years now.

And no one in my family or circle of friends support me. I don't know what to believe anymore.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:03 pm 
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athirdpage wrote:
I received a link to this today from Ocean Robbins. I was shocked as I watched it, especially when one of those people said that it is not "fat that makes you fat but sugar". And then they proceeded to list corn, potatoes, flour, etc. as sources of sugar and thus of being the cause of obesity.

This causes confusion in me. Who is correct in this nutritional journey? I have never met Dr. McDougall, Dr. Esselystyn or Dr. Campbell. Yet I find myself believing what they write. Then I view this video and I begin to think I should only be ingesting fruits, veggies, nuts, seeds and water. And that it is ok to juice them. But stay away, for the most part, from grains, potatoes, corn and white rice - although I am not sure they were referring to ground grains or whole grains. And does that make a difference - whole vs ground?

Since moving towards a plant based diet, I find myself reading the Sunday obituarys and wondering when I see someone lived to be 85 or 89 or 94 years of age, "Were they vegans?"

Does one live longer eating plant based? My father died at 83. He was the steak, hot dogs and "America lives on Duncan" person. My mother is 85 and just quit working at the age o 84. She loves icecream! You cannot make her not eat it. It makes me wonder if it really matters. I took the "Plant Based Nutrition" course offered by the T. Colin Campbell Foundation and eCornell. At times, I felt like I was being brainwashed into believing that milk and products made from it are "evil".

Obviously I have trust issues. Why should I believe Dr. Campbell? Or Dr. McDougall? Or Dr. Esselstyn? My blood panel has improved since following a plant based diet, but according to the numbers the above referenced Dr.s list, mine are no where near perfect. And I have been doing the vegan, oops, I mean the plant based for close to two years now.

And no one in my family or circle of friends support me. I don't know what to believe anymore.


I think you should learn to study and analize a scientific article.
In that manner you can discern real scientific article from stupid article that have nothing of scientific as the articles of paleo promoters.
In that manner you can search in the scientific articles what the science say about the real healthy diet and make by yourself an opinion.

In this site http://www.plantpositive.com you can find some good rules that permit to you to analize a nutrition article.


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I tried watching it a few weeks ago but found myself disagreeing with so much of it I just stopped. Too much misinformation. Plus, I am not a fan of Dr. Mercola.


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You lost me at "David Wolf."
Another fat unhealthy guy who could not run a mile if his life depended on it (but he wears a pancho, hoping you will not notice) who is a self-proclaimed health guru, and will say anything to sell you something, using no scientific research at all to back anything up.
He claims the vegan diet is not healthy, but I would put my money on Scott Jurak or Dr McDougall any day of the week as far as health goes.
Durian Ryder (I think I am spelling it correctly) did a takedown of him where he challenged him to any physical test he could come up with to test his unhealthy vegan theory.... needless to say it went unanswered.

On one of his Youtube videos he points to a tree he planted and is now selling the extract of, on his Hawaiian property, and simply stated that it cures baldness. Nothing to back the claim up at all.
I guess he needed some quick money.

Sugar is not healthy, we can all agree on that, and neither are simple, processed carbs, but Meat and dairy are unhealthy as well, and as long as they refuse to address that; they are still wandering in the wilderness looking for an ever elusive answer.


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athirdpage wrote:
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Since moving towards a plant based diet, I find myself reading the Sunday obituarys and wondering when I see someone lived to be 85 or 89 or 94 years of age, "Were they vegans?"

Does one live longer eating plant based? My father died at 83. He was the steak, hot dogs and "America lives on Duncan" person. My mother is 85 and just quit working at the age o 84. .....

Obviously I have trust issues. Why should I believe Dr. Campbell? Or Dr. McDougall? Or Dr. Esselstyn? My blood panel has improved since following a plant based diet, but according to the numbers the above referenced Dr.s list, mine are no where near perfect. And I have been doing the vegan, oops, I mean the plant based for close to two years now.

... I don't know what to believe anymore.



How about believing the real numbers?

Ask yourself where do people live the longest in the United States and what do they eat?

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In 2000, the World Health Organization came out with the finding that Okinawa had the longest disability-free life expectancy in the world—the longest, healthiest lives. And that's what we want, us 77 million baby boomers.

So the National Institute on Aging partnered with me and National Geographic, and we came up with what we think was a very responsible methodology for looking at what things work at extending our healthy life expectancy. We found parts of the world where people lived the longest by two measures: middle-aged mortality rates, which factors out death at birth, and the centenarian rate.

And how does the health of the world's healthiest elders—those living in the "blue zones"—compare with that of Americans?

Life expectancy is as much as 10 years greater. There was as much as a sixth the rate of cardiovascular disease and a fifth the rate of the big cancers like colon and breast. That's huge, because cardiovascular disease and these cancers kill about 80 percent of people over 65 in our country. And diabetes isn't really an issue with this group.


The only "blue zone" in the United States? Loma Linda, California. This is the center for 7th Day Adventist.

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The Adventist Church—born during the era of 19th-century health reforms that popularized organized vegetarianism, the graham cracker, and breakfast cereals (John Harvey Kellogg was an Adventist when he started making wheat flakes)—has always preached and practiced a message of health. It expressly forbids smoking, alcohol consumption, and eating biblically unclean foods, such as pork. It also discourages the consumption of other meat, rich foods, caffeinated drinks, and "stimulating" condiments and spices. "Grains, fruits, nuts, and vegetables constitute the diet chosen for us by our Creator," wrote Ellen White, an early figure who helped shape the Adventist Church.

From 1976 to 1988 the National Institutes of Health funded a study of 34,000 California Adventists to see whether their health-oriented lifestyle affected their life expectancy and risk of heart disease and cancer. The study found that the Adventists' habit of consuming beans, soy milk, tomatoes, and other fruits lowered their risk of developing certain cancers. ............ And it found that not eating red meat had been helpful to avoid both cancer and heart disease.

In the end the study reached a stunning conclusion, says Gary Fraser of Loma Linda University: The average Adventist lived four to ten years longer than the average Californian. That makes the Adventists one of the nation's most convincing cultures of longevity


I am not an Adventist. But their WOE is very similar to that promoted here. Other groups that promote a similar WOE have similar results such as the 1000's of Pritikin program participants.

Funny, the Paleo crowd can never explain the above results.

J


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 Post subject: Re: HUNGRY FOR CHANGE FREE TO VIEW MOVIE
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People have different natural constitutions and genes. It doesn't determine everything. It doesn't mean you can't change the outcome by doing what the Adventists have proved to work. They are the one society here in the US that we have been able to study. Overall the results show that there is less of these things we are trying to avoid while we are alive. Heart disease etc. Living a few more years is a good thing, but living a healthy life is even more important. I say this at 74. I have done some damage, but the key is, what do I choose to do now. There is no doubt to me now. I have gone through all that confusion. Eating whole, WHOLE, unrefined food, is what I see works. Taking the information from communities like the Adventists, and others that have eaten this way for a long time, is the best proof to me. Better yet are the records of the starch based societies, that Dr. McDougall mentions in his writing about his own experiences and studies. Drs Esselstyn and Ornish and many others have done studies. I've chosen to follow the men of science who have the results of years of actual experience.


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