Steve we can put emotion aside in a debate but we shouldn't dismiss straightforward logical arguments. If people don't have a logical argument to refute our logical argument then there can't be a debate.
Milk from an animal of another species is not meant for us the same way as human milk is not meant for other species. This is logic, not ethics.
Still I have to say that if one has ethical arguments against the consumption of milk (like I have) one should use those arguments.
One can't use ethical and radical health arguments in the same debate or with the same people. I wouldn't trust an ethical vegan telling me that raw milk is bad for the health.
On a logical basis I don't try to know if raw milk is good or bad for our health, because if I find out it's good, my logical argument for us not drinking it hasn't lost any power.
Ultimately on an ethical basis I can't even consider using health arguments on a debate about this issue without feeling deceitful.
For me it would be like discussing the benefits of dissecting and experimenting new drugs on non volunteer humans. It doesn't matter if there are benefits or not, even though we all know there would be.
With so strong logical and ethical arguments for not drinking raw milk, how come it matters if it is good or bad for our health? The health argument should be that we don't depend on it, not that it's bad for us, because people will always find some way to make it not bad for them or say they'll just consume less, and we can't argue with that. If we do people will obviously see us as hypochondriac or having a hidden agenda.
Actually the only way I could put myself in a position to loose a debate on raw milk or any other animal product is if I entered the health debate further than showing that we don't depend on them for optimal health.
So I'll leave it to people like Dr McDougall that deal with this issue on a purely scientific base.
If I'm going to use science I'll use it to show that a cow or goat is not less sentient and emotional than us and for that reason alone taking milk from a cow or goat is like taking milk from a woman. Case closed.
Now if we really believe we don't depend on milk I don't see anything wrong with people thrashing it using scientific evidence about health and I do that as a last resource as this is an emergency for the animals, but I can only do it convincingly with people that don't know my ethical stance on this.
Check from 1:06:00 of Gary Yourofsky talk where he is very clear about the issue of milk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LM ... re=mh_lolz