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 Post subject: Re: Osteoporosis - to supplement or not?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:03 am 
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There are so many tools available for those that are concerned about their nutrient intake. You can simply input your food for a brief period and it will summarize your intake for every possible known nutrient. If you are going to fret over this might as well be sure.
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 Post subject: Re: Osteoporosis - to supplement or not?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:26 am 
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mrweetabix wrote:
I'm getting calcium citrate from the health food store, I know calcium supplements are not proven to be harmful in reasonable doses, and I think a study even showed them to decrease mortality rates! so a bonus.

If you must take a calcium supplement, take calcium CARBONATE, not citrate. Dr. McDougall has said again and again that citrate can cause other problems.

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After the full benefits from sunshine, exercise, and diet have been taken advantage of, the last efforts will be on the judicious use of medications. Acidity in the body can be neutralized by taking over-the-counter antacids, such as TUMS (calcium carbonate). The alkaline carbonate, not the calcium, causes the benefits. Any antacid (sodium bicarbonate, potassium bicarbonate, etc.) will work; however, I do not recommend antacids that are made from citrate (like calcium citrate) because these forms cause the intestine to absorb more aluminum from the diet. Chronic aluminum poisoning causes Alzheimer’s disease. Two tablets of TUMS daily is my recommended dose only for those women at high risk of a fracture. Calcium supplements do have side effects, including iron deficiency, constipation, and an increased risk of death from heart disease.
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 Post subject: Re: Osteoporosis - to supplement or not?
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Dr. McDougall wrote:
After the full benefits from sunshine, exercise, and diet have been taken advantage of, the last efforts will be on the judicious use of medications. Acidity in the body can be neutralized by taking over-the-counter antacids, such as TUMS (calcium carbonate). The alkaline carbonate, not the calcium, causes the benefits. Any antacid (sodium bicarbonate, potassium bicarbonate, etc.) will work; however, I do not recommend antacids that are made from citrate (like calcium citrate) because these forms cause the intestine to absorb more aluminum from the diet. Chronic aluminum poisoning causes Alzheimer’s disease. Two tablets of TUMS daily is my recommended dose only for those women at high risk of a fracture. Calcium supplements do have side effects, including iron deficiency, constipation, and an increased risk of death from heart disease.

How very strange
Tums ingredients list
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Active Ingredients: Calcium Carbonate USP (500 mg) (Antacid)

Inactive Ingredients: Sucrose, Calcium Carbonate, Corn Starch, Talc, Mineral Oil, Natural & Artificial Flavors, Adipic Acid, Sodium Polyphosphate, Red 40 Lake, Yellow 6 Lake, FD&C Yellow 5 Lake (Tartrazine), Blue 1 Lake

4 carcinogenic dyes, petrochemical mineral oil, talc which can be carcinogenic if the dust gets on mucus membranes... This is the "good" form of calcium? You can buy cal carb tablets or capsules with nothing else in them at most any health food store and many pharmacies. Why get them loaded w/ poison on the side? Also, I don't really think I have much of an aluminum source in my diet and the citrate form does absorb better....


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 Post subject: Re: Osteoporosis - to supplement or not?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:05 pm 
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I agree, and I'm sure Dr. McD does too, but folks can be clueless, and many may mistakenly pick up citrate when they should grab carbonate. TUMS are easily identifiable. The tiny amount of that stuff in there isn't great, but it won't kill ya either. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Osteoporosis - to supplement or not?
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GeoffreyLevens wrote:
Also, I don't really think I have much of an aluminum source in my diet and the citrate form does absorb better....

Sure you do. We all do. Aluminium is everywhere--a few sources include underarm deodorants, aluminum cookware, beverages from aluminum cans, municipal drinking water which often has aluminum compounds added, baking powders, bleached flour, processed cheese, some table salts, and some antacids. Now many of those we can avoid but others we cannot. No point in adding to the problem.

The fact is that the OP of this thread needs a supplement b/c he's 19 and anorexic. The rest of us, if we are eating our leafy greens, do NOT need to take a calcium supplement of any kind. We're getting plenty of calcium, esp. since we aren't doing anything to leach it out of our bones as SAD eaters are.

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 Post subject: Re: Osteoporosis - to supplement or not?
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ETeSelle wrote:
GeoffreyLevens wrote:
Also, I don't really think I have much of an aluminum source in my diet and the citrate form does absorb better....

Sure you do. We all do. Aluminium is everywhere--a few sources include underarm deodorants, aluminum cookware, beverages from aluminum cans, municipal drinking water which often has aluminum compounds added, baking powders, bleached flour, processed cheese, some table salts, and some antacids. Now many of those we can avoid but others we cannot. No point in adding to the problem.

The fact is that the OP of this thread needs a supplement b/c he's 19 and anorexic. The rest of us, if we are eating our leafy greens, do NOT need to take a calcium supplement of any kind. We're getting plenty of calcium, esp. since we aren't doing anything to leach it out of our bones as SAD eaters are.

True about the OP. I dn't really have hardly any of those aluminium sources in my life. Not real sure how much topically applied aluminum, if you use that stuff, gets absorbed but I don't use aluminum cookware (ever), drink well water, don't use baking powder except maybe once or twice a year, never bleached flour/cheese/table salt/antacids. And too often, environmental (which includes food source) carcinogens are active in quite tiny amounts. I just do not get the suggestion for TUMS. Clean cal carb is available everywhere.


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 Post subject: Re: Osteoporosis - to supplement or not?
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Serendipity... just got link to this article on mineral oil today
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/crude-awakening-mineral-oil-contaminates-everyones-bodies?utm_source=www.GreenMedInfo.com&utm_campaign=3b4d19607b-Greenmedinfo&utm_medium=email


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 Post subject: Re: Osteoporosis - to supplement or not?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:07 pm 
Thanks for the replies!

EteSelle, you're right.. I think many vegans can have the peace of mind regarding calcium from leafy greens when the bones aren't compromised.

I will take the calcium carbonate, it is the easiest one to get anyway! I have to search more for the citrate lol... I'm so stupid :)

I need to get myself on track, I am finishing up college this year.. But I am getting panic attacks, one in the shopping centre with my sister I was so embarrassed but couldn't hide anywhere! so just sat on the floor covered my face and waited it out. Now the therapist has noted it down as fainting :roll:

I'm really grateful for your help, thank you.... It's amazing how much decency I can get on a forum than in real life.


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 Post subject: Re: Osteoporosis - to supplement or not?
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I found out that I have scary-low bone density from my first scan a year and a half ago. I'm sure it's from living with undetected celiac disease for over 40 years. And here I was, in my late 40's, about to go through menopause and probably lose even more bone mass. Yikes!

Of course I panicked at first and started taking all these supplements. But then I calmed down and stopped them, and just focused on the things I had been doing all along. I eat lots of collard greens and always get over 1000 mg of calcium in my vegan diet (usually even more). I also walk every day and do yoga for strength. I should lift weights too, but I don't enjoy it, so I haven't started that yet.

And when I tested my bone mineral density a year after the first reading, things had improved! I was so psyched.

I strongly recommend that you address your eating disorder and focus on getting to a healthy weight, consume lots of calcium-rich greens, get regular exercise, fresh air and sunlight for vitamin D, and I'm confident that if you do, your bones will remineralize too. You have the advantage of being young and still in a bone-building phase of life. But you have to actually make the changes to save your body. Health has not been a result of your previous lifestyle, and your body can only take so much abuse.


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 Post subject: Re: Osteoporosis - to supplement or not?
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Panic attacks may be bad for your bones. Stress leads to high cortisol... I recommend stress reduction through meditation , in addition to your walks and weight lifting and jumping.
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