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Norm wrote:I am thinking about trying the MWL program for a month. I honestly feel it is more restrictive than I'd be happy with long-term, but I figure I owe it to myself to at least try. I'd also be curious how much faster my weight loss would be doing it.
Unlike my current diet, where I make exceptions here and there and am not 100% compliant, if I were to do this I'd want to stick to the rules. No variations. No exceptions. So I need to understand the rules, and I have a few questions for starters.
1. No flour products. I can understand this rule for any commercial ground flour, as even the "whole wheat" isn't truly whole-meal flour, and has had nutrition processed out of it. But what about flour I mill myself at home, just prior to use? It's got 100% of all the nutrients, no added anything. It's good stuff!! The breads and pasta I make from it are truly a gift from heaven. If the answer is no, I can't use it, I can live with it. But I'd sure like to know the rationale!!
2. No simple sugars. Does this include honey? When I first started changing my diet, before I even knew about McDougall, I made my morning porridge palatable by mixing in yogurt, honey, and cream! One of the first changes I made when I came here was to stop the yogurt and cream. I still have a small amount of goats milk in my daily porridge, and one small spoonful of honey. The goats milk is one of my "exceptions" in my current diet and I don't even have to ask about that... it's gone if I do MWL. But can I still have the one small spoonful of honey?
3. Fruits. I understand I can have 2 servings of fruit a day on MWL. What if I want to have blueberries as one of my servings? How many blueberries are in a serving?
Those are my questions for now. Thank you for your time.
pinkrose wrote:Flour and breads are concentrated. So, like simple sugars, you can ingest many more calories in a bite of these than you would get in a bite of of the unrefined foods. So it makes sense to avoid them. Keeping the calorie density (calories/weight) low is very helpful for weight management.
pinkrose wrote:I think a general rule for servings of fruits and veggies is that 1/2 cup is a serving but someone may correct me on that. So you could enjoy a cup of berries daily. You could use them to sweeten your oatmeal! Eat your spoon full of honey...and get over it!!! Ha ha!
pinkrose wrote:Now focus on all of the wonderful foods you can eat that are within the MWL guidelines! Enjoy the food and keep us posted on your successes!
MmmCarbs wrote:Hi Norm,
Check the sticky post at the top of this forum. The first link in that post takes you to a .pdf that has guidelines including both flour and honey.
You may not get the hard and fast rule you were looking for. While not exactly forbidden, their use is supposed to be very limited compared to the regular plan.
Norm wrote: I'm still unsure about my bread and pasta made from home milled flour.... The rules seem to say no... and I am willing go with that, but still want to understand the why.
to_our_health wrote:That's Dr. McDougall's explanation. Don't know all the science behind it but it does seem to work for a lot of people...
Norm wrote:pinkrose wrote:Flour and breads are concentrated. So, like simple sugars, you can ingest many more calories in a bite of these than you would get in a bite of of the unrefined foods. So it makes sense to avoid them. Keeping the calorie density (calories/weight) low is very helpful for weight management.
Okay. This makes NO sense to me at all. A wheat berry is far more concentrated than the flour you get from it. For every cup of wheat berries I mill into flour, I get well over a cup of flour. Try to compress the resulting flour back into the same cup... can't be done. Try compressing the bread I make from it back into that same cup... Don't even bother!! I don't see how a bite of anything I make with my wheat flour could possibly have more calories than an equal bite of the same amount of wheat berries. I'm not trying to argue, just wanting to understand.
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