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 Post subject: Discouraged about hypertension
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 4:37 am 
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Despite my following the plan for over a year, my hypertension persists (though I seen some improvement). I have had high BP for over twenty years and currently am taking Metoprolol (25 mg, twice a day). I monitor my BP at home and it is currently about 152/84. I was also taking Quinapril 40 mg and Amlodopine 10 mg, but stopped those, hoping to manage the BP with just Metoprolol, or preferably no meds at all. I am 59 years old, 5'4", weigh 135, and exercise 30 minutes 5 times per week. I have eliminated caffeine. I have a glass of red wine most evenings; maybe this needs to go too? My hypertension is familial and I was diagnosed at age 38. I recently went to a five day McDougall program, which was wonderful! So much information was included in the five days. When I asked Dr. McDougall for advice, he advised me to lose more weight, which surprised me since my BMI is in the normal range. However, I am willing to do this if it will help my blood pressure. My questions are as follows, and I will appreciate any and all suggestions:
1. Would a lower BMI possibly lower my BP?
2. Has anyone tried Resperate?
3. Would increasing my exercise help?
4. Any other thoughts or ideas?
Thanks for taking the time to read this!
Carolyn


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 Post subject: Re: Discouraged about hypertension
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 7:12 am 
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VeganCarolyn wrote:
1. Would a lower BMI possibly lower my BP?
2. Has anyone tried Resperate?
3. Would increasing my exercise help?
4. Any other thoughts or ideas?
Thanks for taking the time to read this!
Carolyn

1. Probably, that is why Dr. McDougall recommended it.
3. Probably, especially aerobic exercise--walking, biking etc.
4. I think you should omit the alcohol. See
http://www.drmcdougall.com/alcohol.html

You will probably be able to get as thin as you like by following the MWL program.

If you do everything you know to do to reduce your BP, I am hopeful that you will see a major improvement! :nod:

Please keep us posted on your progress, Carolyn! :-D

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 Post subject: Re: Discouraged about hypertension
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 8:52 am 
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My SO is in the same predicament as you, except his bp is 140/90 and he is still too heavy. So the coming weeks we are doing the MWL to get him down in weight and we are hoping his bp will go down too!
So far he is not taking any meds....lets hope lowering weight will do it for you and him!


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 Post subject: Re: Discouraged about hypertension
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 9:13 am 
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Many people need to be near low end of BMI range to normalize blood pressure. Salt intake is also critical, the less the better really. Total sodium from all sources should be well under 1000 mg/day. Alcohol should definitely be eliminated. Exercise can indeed help. And yes, the Resperate could help but so could Buteyko Breathing, HeartMath emWave, or plain old yoga pranayama breathing exercises. Also, water fasting can do wonders though it probably needs to be medically supervised by people who really know what they are doing.

http://www.healthpromoting.com/article/high-blood-pressure-learning-live-without-it
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What Works

As Figure 1 indicates, numerous approaches have been scientifically proven to be safe and effective at lowering blood pressure. For example, for every Kg of weight loss (2.2 pounds), systolic blood pressure is reduced an average of 1.6 points. The adoption of a vegetarian high fiber diet will also reduce systolic blood pressure, by an average of 2.8 points. Also, and very significantly, the reduction of alcohol and sodium will reduce systolic blood pressure by 4.8 and 16 points respectively. It is interesting to note that the 16 point reduction from severe sodium restriction is actually a larger effect size than would be expected from any combination of medications. Exercise has additionally been shown to have a powerful normalizing effect on blood pressure. For example, a regular walking program of 45 minutes, 4-5 times a week may reduce blood pressure by an average of about 7 points.


Water-Only Fasting and Blood Pressure

In a study conducted at the TrueNorth Health Center in California and published in the June 2001 issue of the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics, the use of water-only fasting followed by a low-fat, low-salt vegan diet demonstrated the largest effect on lowering blood pressure of any study in the scientific literature (See Figure 2). The average drop in systolic blood pressure in 174 consecutive patients was 37 points. In those patients with higher levels of blood pressure, starting at what is called Stage 3 hypertension (where the systolic blood pressure exceeds 180 points or 180 mm/Hg), the average reduction was 60 points!
In a second study, also conducted at the TrueNorth Health Center and published in the October 2002 issue of the Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, a group of 68 patients with "borderline" high blood pressure (systolic blood pressure between 120 and 140 mm Hg) underwent a period of water-only fasting for an average of two weeks. The average reduction in blood pressure exceeded 20 points, resulting in a final average blood pressure of 96/67. This is a level similar to that level suspected to be optimum blood pressure by Dr. Richard Peto of Oxford and other authorities.


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 Post subject: Re: Discouraged about hypertension
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 9:21 am 
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I found that using the weight machines at the gym really lowers my bp in addition to aerobic exercise. I can't wait to start back.

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 Post subject: Re: Discouraged about hypertension
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:08 pm 
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While your weight is in the acceptable BMI range an ideal weight for 5'4" would be about 120. Kudos for exercising 5 times a week already.


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 Post subject: Re: Discouraged about hypertension
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:24 am 
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Does anyone know how long BP meds effect lasts?

I have been eating this way about 3 years now, weight dropped 30 lbs, I normally exercise almost daily. That's been sporadic in the last few months.

Anyway, this last weekend got kind of crazy, and I missed taking my meds, I usually take Altace 5mg and Metropropolol, 25mg daily.

Anyway, I've been feeling great, and as an experiment, I checked my BP this morning, and it was 126/77. Which to me seems well within normal range. I havent taken anything in almost a week.

Now, my doctor has been reluctant to drop or even reduce the meds.
But, if my pressure is going to be in this range, why would I want to take drugs to do it?

My cholesterol is still about 160, and I'd like to eventually stop that too. I'm 5'6" about 155 lbs. So I could stand to lose a few more.

suggestions?

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 Post subject: Re: Discouraged about hypertension
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:56 am 
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VeganCarolyn wrote:
Despite my following the plan for over a year, my hypertension persists (though I seen some improvement). I have had high BP for over twenty years and currently am taking Metoprolol (25 mg, twice a day). I monitor my BP at home and it is currently about 152/84. I was also taking Quinapril 40 mg and Amlodopine 10 mg, but stopped those, hoping to manage the BP with just Metoprolol, or preferably no meds at all. I am 59 years old, 5'4", weigh 135, and exercise 30 minutes 5 times per week. I have eliminated caffeine. I have a glass of red wine most evenings; maybe this needs to go too? My hypertension is familial and I was diagnosed at age 38. I recently went to a five day McDougall program, which was wonderful! So much information was included in the five days. When I asked Dr. McDougall for advice, he advised me to lose more weight, which surprised me since my BMI is in the normal range. However, I am willing to do this if it will help my blood pressure. My questions are as follows, and I will appreciate any and all suggestions:
1. Would a lower BMI possibly lower my BP?
2. Has anyone tried Resperate?
3. Would increasing my exercise help?
4. Any other thoughts or ideas?
Thanks for taking the time to read this!
Carolyn


You might find this interesting.
http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/30/6/1511.full
BMI 21 appeared to be the magic number for women. Perhaps you would see your BP drop if you get closer to 122 pounds. I don't know.

I also thought of yoga. That or Tai Chi might help.

I don't know that you'd necessarily have to increase exercise time-wise, but if you want to see changes, you might want to shake things up as far as intensity and type of exercise you're doing. The body gets used to stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Discouraged about hypertension
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:03 am 
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Some people just have naturally higher BP. I do--since I was a thin young adult it's been borderline high. It went up even more when I gained weight, but it did not drop measurably even after I lost 90 lbs.

I managed to FINALLY bring it down to barely acceptable by getting all caffeine and added salt out of my diet, but it's still borderline. Honestly, even Norvasc didn't affect it measurably, so it seems pointless to be on meds (Haven't been for 2 years after 1 year on them).

With TC of 123, BMI of 18-19, and normal numbers across the board, it's my only risk factor, so I choose to just let it be. I've done what I can about it and IMO taking meds is riskier than NOT doing so.

Everyone has to make their own decisions, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Discouraged about hypertension
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:06 am 
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Alcohol consumption does increase blood pressure


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 Post subject: Re: Discouraged about hypertension
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GeoffreyLevens wrote:
Alcohol consumption does increase blood pressure



damn :P

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 Post subject: Re: Discouraged about hypertension
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nonyabizz wrote:
GeoffreyLevens wrote:
Alcohol consumption does increase blood pressure



damn :P

Guess you will just have to focus on smoking the "wacky tabbacy". Oh right, lung damage... :crybaby:


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