white flour and sugar

frozenveg · **Posted:** Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:20 am

mcfruitarian wrote:

Thanks frozenveg; specially for the salad dressing. I will opt for the lemon as I am not keen on venigar (and neither alcohol by choice).

As you know lemon is acidy and maple syrup is sweet and they do not combine nicely as each component requires different PH level for breaking down. Hence, a stalemate is reached and as a result fermentation (and alcohol with no choice) is produced ... Eventually the intelligent body will get out of this mess. But I do not want to burden it down.

Over the past 10 years, I avoided acidy/sweet food combination as I know from first hand experience the impact thereof. I used to suffer from strong acid reflux (because of this incompatbile combination and my stomch valve was abused during my standard Western diet upbringing.)

My question to you whether you ever bothered with this combination and food combination in general.

Cheers

I absolutely love the sweet/sour taste, and have since childhood. I've never had the slightest digestive problem with them, and this is the first time I've heard this theory. Sorry to be of no help in this area.

mcfruitarian · **Posted:** Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:56 am

This is not a theory. It is well documented. Usually one does not need to know about digestion to live healthily. In short, digestion starts in the mouth and continues in our stomach which is a chemical chamber. I learnt a bit about the digestion process when I was looking to understand how acid reflux happens and what causes it.

mcfruitarian · **Posted:** Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:28 pm

Back to the question of white flour. What about RICE white flour ? Should it also be avoided ?

Frieda · **Joined:** Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:29 am **Posts:** 290

mcfruitarian wrote:

This is not a theory. It is well documented. Usually one does not need to know about digestion to live healthily. In short, digestion starts in the mouth and continues in our stomach which is a chemical chamber. I learnt a bit about the digestion process when I was looking to understand how acid reflux happens and what causes it.

Would you be able to link us to an example or two of the documentation for this?

mcfruitarian · **Posted:** Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:37 am

Frieda,

Here are some reference books in my library :
Food Combining made easy by Herbert M. Shelton
Food Combining for health by Doris Grant & Jean Joice
The Hay Diet made easy - a practical guide to food combining by Jackie Habgood
The Natural Way by Mary-Ann Shearer
Perfect Weight - the natural way by Mary-Ann Shearer

Let me know whether you need additional information. I know that these books are old and it is more 10 years since I looked at them.

frozenveg · **Posted:** Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:39 am

Here is a link to a topic about food combining:

viewtopic.php?t=5635

Quote:

There is no credible scientific evidence to support the theories on food combining. While the proponents often say it is based on physiology, they theory is actually based on a very limited view and misunderstanding of physiology. Even in one of the classic books on the topic "Food Combining Made Easy" the author, Dr Herbert Shelton said he knew of no physiological reason for most of his rules. I beleive his many reason in putting them forth was to help people make improvements on the typical diet they were eating.

In addition, even one of the modern day advocates of it, "Harvey Diamond" who popularized the theory in his Fit For Life books, also said publicly at a NHA conference that he may have over emphasized its importance in the books.

One of the reasons food combining seems to work is because when you follow the rules, you have simplified your diet and made a dramatic change in your diet for the better.

In regard to digestion, overeating and eating too much fat and eating while under great sress are three things that can impair digestion. Also, as you mentioned each individual may find they have certain food tolerances and sensitivities and if so, they should respect them.

I have an old article called The Physiology of Digestion: Is Food Combining Justified" which debunks all the theories on food combining and I am going to update and put on my website sometime soon.

In Health
Jeff Novick, MS, RD

I don't think Jeff has gotten around to finding that article yet. There is nothing wrong with practicing the food combining restrictions you'veplaced on yourself, but it is not a necessary part of the McDougall way of eating.

gus13 · **Joined:** Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:25 pm **Posts:** 1

I keep hearing from nutritionists and doctors that egg yolks are now good for you. I have diabetes, the doctors are having a hard time controlling it. I became a vegan for a year. My sugars were still sky high. Can anyone offer any advice it would be greatly appreciated.

mcfruitarian · **Posted:** Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:49 pm

gus13 wrote:

I keep hearing from nutritionists and doctors that egg yolks are now good for you. I have diabetes, the doctors are having a hard time controlling it. I became a vegan for a year. My sugars were still sky high. Can anyone offer any advice it would be greatly appreciated.

gus13,
In my personal opinion and I am just a 10 old vegan, any animal product is not good for you including egg yolks. There is no doubt that all animal products include egg yolks have some nutritious values but they are also the source of most of the chronical illnesses. They are not just worth it. You can get the same nutrients from plants; so why risk it. If you are not convinced with Dr McDougall's teachings, you may want to read the China Sudy by Dr. T. Colin Campbell. However, I can express my opinion without knowing the details of your situation:
1. Take charge of your health. Find ways to get rid of the medication. The body has the great ability to heal itself. Just give it the right nutrients (naurally plant-based).
2. Stick to basic plant-based food - natural (unprocessed), whole, starch, ... as described in the The Starch Solution.
3. Get in touch with or e-mail Dr John McDougall. I my experience, he always returns his emails (either himself or his assistant).
4. Most importantly, being vegan is not good enough for your copndition. You need to become a McDougaller. Avoid any processed food and beverages - coffee, soft drinks, sugar ( I have not touched sugar for 10 years), ....

Best of luck !

mcfruitarian · **Posted:** Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:57 pm

frozenveg wrote:

Here is a link to a topic about food combining:

viewtopic.php?t=5635

Quote:

There is no credible scientific evidence to support the theories on food combining. While the proponents often say it is based on physiology, they theory is actually based on a very limited view and misunderstanding of physiology. Even in one of the classic books on the topic "Food Combining Made Easy" the author, Dr Herbert Shelton said he knew of no physiological reason for most of his rules. I beleive his many reason in putting them forth was to help people make improvements on the typical diet they were eating.

In addition, even one of the modern day advocates of it, "Harvey Diamond" who popularized the theory in his Fit For Life books, also said publicly at a NHA conference that he may have over emphasized its importance in the books.

One of the reasons food combining seems to work is because when you follow the rules, you have simplified your diet and made a dramatic change in your diet for the better.

In regard to digestion, overeating and eating too much fat and eating while under great sress are three things that can impair digestion. Also, as you mentioned each individual may find they have certain food tolerances and sensitivities and if so, they should respect them.

I have an old article called The Physiology of Digestion: Is Food Combining Justified" which debunks all the theories on food combining and I am going to update and put on my website sometime soon.

In Health
Jeff Novick, MS, RD

I don't think Jeff has gotten around to finding that article yet. There is nothing wrong with practicing the food combining restrictions you'veplaced on yourself, but it is not a necessary part of the McDougall way of eating.

Forzenveg,

I concur that combining food is not a necessary part of the McDougall way of eating. After all, all starch foods combine well together.

However, I am sticking to some fundamental food combining rules:
1. Eat fruit on empty stomach,
2. Do not combine sweet and acidy fruit,

Cheers

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