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 Post subject: Aug. McD Support for Antitheists, Atheists, & Evolutionists
PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:19 am 
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Good morning friends,
I hope your August is off to a happy and healthy start. I thought I’d start the month by sharing a photo of this week’s haul from the farmer’s market. Living in the northwest we’re still seeing cauliflower and cabbage at the farm market but not much yet in the way of tomatoes.
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From Chapter 1 ‘The Decent of Man’ by Charles Darwin

“Embryonic Development. Man is developed from an ovule, about the 125th of an inch in diameter, which differs in no respect from the ovules of other animals. The embryo itself at a very early period can hardly be distinguished from that of other members of the vertebrate kingdom. At this period the arteries run in arch-like branches, as if to carry the blood to branchiae which are not present in the higher Vertebrata, though the slits on the sides of the neck still remain (see f, g, fig. 1), marking their former position. At a somewhat later period, when the extremities are developed, "the feet of lizards and mammals," as the illustrious von Baer remarks, "the wings and feet of birds, no less than the hands and feet of man, all arise from the same fundamental form." It is, says Prof. Huxley,* "quite in the later stages of development that the young human being presents marked differences from the young ape, while the latter departs as much from the dog in its developments, as the man does. Startling as this last assertion may appear to be, it is demonstrably true."”

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 Post subject: Re: Aug. McD Support for Antitheists, Atheists, & Evolutionists
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Great pics and quotes, Letha! Hope to see you here more often. It has been a nice cool summer in Seattle so far this year (in contrast to last year's record heat). For those who get Comcast cable here, on SCAN (Seattle Community Access Network), channel 77 at 3 PM every Sunday is "Ask an Atheist". It's a great show I watch every week with a big smile on my face. :) :-P


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Thanks for the tip Afreespririt. I don’t get that channel but luckily for us, they have the episodes on-line here.

http://askanatheist.tv



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Excellent! Now everyone can watch! :-D


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afreespirit wrote:
Excellent! Now everyone can watch! :-D

Oh my gosh. I just watched episode 7 on conspiracy theories. Vampires at the blood bank and trolls under the 520 floating bridge. I was laughing so hard I had tears in my eyes. I found my tribe!! I’m going to watch episode 8 on Child Indoctrination as soon as they get it up on the internet.
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 Post subject: Re: Aug. McD Support for Antitheists, Atheists, & Evolutionists
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LOL, Episode 6 was hilarious also. Heh. :evil:


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Good afternoon friends,
So, I thought I’d share a snap of the multi colored carrots from a pan of roasted veggies I made last week. The red, yellow, and orange carrots all taste the same to me but they are fun to chop up all the colors.

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Afreespirit,
I watched episode 8 this morning. The best part was the story about the website where you can go and pay atheists to take care of your pets after the rapture. Hilarious.
http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com/
Letha


From Chapter 2 ‘The Decent of Man’ by Charles Darwin

“In regard to bodily size or strength, we do not know whether man is descended from some small species, like the chimpanzee, or from one as powerful as the gorilla; and, therefore, we cannot say whether man has become larger and stronger, or smaller and weaker, than his ancestors. We should, however, bear in mind that an animal possessing great size, strength, and ferocity, and which, like the gorilla, could defend itself from all enemies, would not perhaps have become social: and this would most effectually have checked the acquirement of the higher mental qualities, such as sympathy and the love of his fellows. Hence it might have been an immense advantage to man to have sprung from some comparatively weak creature.”

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 Post subject: Re: Aug. McD Support for Antitheists, Atheists, & Evolutionists
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:37 am 
Letha,

I LOVE this thread. Thanks for starting it. It makes me want to start posting here regularly again.

p.s. My son-in-law gave me a wonderful special collector's edition of Darwin's Descent of Man for our mid-winter get-together. :-D

Oh and if any of you have not read the illustrated version of Origin of Species published last year I HIGHLY recommend it. It is lavishly illustrated with both the original 19th century artwork plus modern artwork and photos. It is beautiful.


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 Post subject: Re: Aug. McD Support for Antitheists, Atheists, & Evolutionists
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:01 am 
Also, since this is a revolutionary evolutionary type thread I would just like to say that although there might be a case made for eating meat based upon the fact that both our cousins, the Neanderthals and our direct ancestors, the Cro-Magnon were hunters, there is also a case that can be made for our ongoing evolution towards a vegan diet. Can we force our own evolution? Well that's certainly an interesting question and highly debatable, but we do know that there have been some changes since the onset of agriculture--some for good and some not so good. Lactose intolerance has been overcome by most Northern Europeans while gluten intolerance is still a problem. But I personally think that gluten intolerance will someday be minimal. Why do I think this is a good thing, since our forbears ate meat? Because meat eating by everyone will not continue to be sustainable in the future. I know that Jared Diamond has stated that the advent of agriculture was the biggest mistake in history, but on the other hand, he might still be living in a cave eating hyena brains instead of using a computer to write his popular books if it had not been for the invention of agriculture. I tend to agree more with Michael Pollan who said: "The single greatest lesson the garden teaches is that our relationship to the planet need not be zero-sum, and that as long as the sun still shines and people still can plan and plant, think and do, we can, if we bother to try, find ways to provide for ourselves without diminishing the world."


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Gramma Jackie wrote:
I tend to agree more with Michael Pollan who said: "The single greatest lesson the garden teaches is that our relationship to the planet need not be zero-sum, and that as long as the sun still shines and people still can plan and plant, think and do, we can, if we bother to try, find ways to provide for ourselves without diminishing the world."

Great quote Gramma Jackie. My library had the illustrated version of Origin of Species so I reserved it via computer to pick up when it gets to my library. Thanks for the recommendation.

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Good morning friends. So, yesterday I made blueberry banana bread and potato cabbage soup. I thought I’d share recipes and snaps.

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Monday’s Potato & Cabbage Soup

2 small onions, chopped
6 carrots, peeled and chopped
3 Yukon gold potatoes, peeled and chopped
1 small head of cabbage, chopped
1 tablespoon salt
Pinch of basil, oregano, & dill
Water

Throw the veggies and seasonings in the pot. Add enough water to mostly cover the veggies. They’ll cook down below the water level. Bring to a boil then reduce heat and simmer for 20-30 minutes or until veggies are done to your liking.

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Blueberry Banana Bread
3 large over-ripe bananas, mashed
2 tablespoons lemon juice
¼ cup apple juice
4oz container of applesauce
1 teaspoon vanilla
1/2 cup sugar
2 cups whole wheat flour
3/4 teaspoon baking powder
3/4 teaspoon baking soda
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 cup frozen blueberries
¼ cup chopped walnuts

Preheat oven to 350F.
Mix together bananas, lemon juice, apple juice, apples sauce, & vanilla. In a separate bowl mix together flour, baking powder, baking soda, sugar & salt. Combine wet & dry ingredients. Stir in blueberries & walnuts. Bake in a loaf pan for one hour. Cool before slicing. Wrap cooled bread in plastic or foil. Even better the next day.

Source: This was inspired by a recipe on the http://www.fatfreevegan.com site. I modified the recipe to use ingredients I had on hand.



From Chapter 3 ‘The Decent of Man’ by Charles Darwin

“It has often been said that no animal uses any tool; but the chimpanzee in a state of nature cracks a native fruit, somewhat like a walnut, with a stone.* Rengger*(2) easily taught an American monkey thus to break open hard palm-nuts; and afterwards of its own accord, it used stones to open other kinds of nuts, as well as boxes. It thus also removed the soft rind of fruit that had a disagreeable flavour. Another monkey was taught to open the lid of a large box with a stick, and afterwards it used the stick as a lever to move heavy bodies; and I have myself seen a young orang put a stick into a crevice, slip his hand to the other end, and use it in the proper manner as a lever. The tamed elephants in India are well known to break off branches of trees and use them to drive away the flies; and this same act has been observed in an elephant in a state of nature.*(3) I have seen a young orang, when she thought she was going to be whipped, cover and protect herself with a blanket or straw. In these several cases stones and sticks were employed as implements; but they are likewise used as weapons. Brehm*(4) states, on the authority of the well-known traveller Schimper, that in Abyssinia when the baboons belonging to one species (C. gelada) descend in troops from the mountains to plunder the fields, they sometimes encounter troops of another species (C. hamadryas), and then a fight ensues. The Geladas roll down great stones, which the Hamadryas try to avoid, and then both species, making a great uproar, rush furiously against each other. Brehm, when accompanying the Duke of Coburg-Gotha, aided in an attack with fire-arms on a troop of baboons in the pass of Mensa in Abyssinia. The baboons in return rolled so many stones down the mountain, some as large as a man's head, that the attackers had to beat a hasty retreat; and the pass was actually closed for a time against the caravan. It deserves notice that these baboons thus acted in concert. Mr. Wallace*(5) on three occasions saw female orangs, accompanied by their young, "breaking off branches and the great spiny fruit of the Durian tree, with every appearance of rage; causing such a shower of missiles as effectually kept us from approaching too near the tree." As I have repeatedly seen, a chimpanzee will throw any object at hand at a person who offends him; and the before-mentioned baboon at the Cape of Good Hope prepared mud for the purpose.”

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Great pix and recipes. In the absence of any proof of a life after this one, we had best make the most of what we have. That certainly includes stewardship of the planet, rather than not caring what happens to it b/c there is going to be a "Rapture" (for the Chosen, of course, which doesn't include the "lower" animals). :-P


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:33 pm 
afreespirit wrote:
Great pix and recipes. In the absence of any proof of a life after this one, we had best make the most of what we have. That certainly includes stewardship of the planet, rather than not caring what happens to it b/c there is going to be a "Rapture" (for the Chosen, of course, which doesn't include the "lower" animals). :-P


What are "lower animals?"

That's like referring to some plants as "lower plants." heh heh :lol:


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Letha!

I LOVE your recipes and plan on making that bread for supper tonight. Wow. I love the way you cook.

Thanks for sharing. :)

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afreespirit wrote:
Great pix and recipes. In the absence of any proof of a life after this one, we had best make the most of what we have. That certainly includes stewardship of the planet, rather than not caring what happens to it b/c there is going to be a "Rapture" (for the Chosen, of course, which doesn't include the "lower" animals). :-P

Agreed, and eating vegan is one great example of responsible stewardship.

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bethannerickson wrote:
Letha!

I LOVE your recipes and plan on making that bread for supper tonight. Wow. I love the way you cook.

Thanks for sharing. :)

Beth from Minnesota


Let us know how it turns out. :)
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