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It's 5:30 pm and Friday. Yippee!

I had a nice time at the park with some moms and the kids got to run and play. I didn't think to bring a snack but one of the moms brought cheapo pizza and another brought carrots and pumpkin seeds.

I got past the pizza.

Well, about the fake soy. I am a month into this program and utilize tofu and some fake soy once or so a week. Is it really that bad? I bought some 'better than cream cheese tofutti'. I put it on a bagel and yum!

You see, I went swimming for the first time with my hurt knee and arm. I came home wanting to eat my grandson's left leg.
I even got into the 'baked cheetos' that I never purchase. What was I thinking?

Breakfast: 1 cp oatmeal and 1/2 apple
Lunch: 6 slices of veggie sushi roll and an apple
Dinner: tofu/spinach/hashbrown casserole

Cheating: Pumpkin seeds at the park and a bag of baked cheetos.

Tomorrow, I'll do better. I haven't had a day like this since I started. God bless you all and hey!

Thank you for the info about McDougalling. I DO want to know everything I can learn and correct me when I mess up. thanks kc

Since you asked for a photo, you can see this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re_gan_mian

Reganmian/hot dry noodles is the one dish I really enjoy eating away from home. It is Saturday AM here. I think we will hike a few miles to a nice little restaurant and I will enjoy reganmian for about 30 cents. (My Chinese half likes wet noodles.) It will fill me up. Then we will hike and shop etc. Some of the hot dry noodles here are too hot or too salty or too oily but we have found a few places that have excellent, tasty noodles. So if/when you visit us, you will want to try this dish too! This is making me hungry!

You are hilarious, KC! I would agree that eating tofu is better than eating your grandson's leg! Have a nice weekend!!!

Good morning Pinkrose,

Good night to the rest of you.

It is late and I got on because I am really upset. You know, I've been really faithful to this program and no matter what I do, i am still having high sugars.

I wrote on another post that I am thinking of going back to my old program. At least I lost weight. And my sugars were excellent.

On McDougall I am always tired and my sugars are always running high after I eat. I don't think this is good for me.

I'm sorry for complaining, but I really thought this was the answer to the diabetes. I had sugars not over 145 or so and now they are always almost two hundred after eating beans and potatoes or oats.
Oh, well, just looking for the answer. Please pray for me. kc

Are you feeling better this AM? I pray that you will find the answers/help you need, KC.

Please consider that your high BG readings, fatigue etc. may be related to your health problems. Are you getting enough rest???

Since I am not an MD and do not know your situation thoroughly, I will not advise you in regard to "programs". However, I think it is possible that you simply need to modify what you are doing a bit to get better results.

You may find Jeff's guidance at this link helpful:
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=15014

Try to keep it simple! Please let us know how you are doing!!!

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10no evil shall befall you, no scourge come near your tent.

11For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways.

12On their hands they will bear you up, so that you will not dash your foot against a stone.

13You will tread on the lion and the adder, the young lion and the serpent you will trample under foot.

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16With long life I will satisfy them, and show them my salvation." (Psalm 91, NRSV)

Hi everyone just started Mcdougalling and finding my way around and so pleased to have found this Christian part I know I was guided here, I do need help and find it so encouraging with this forum take care blessings
Sylvia

Above, you posted about eating tofutti, and baked chips of some kind. While these foods are probably vegan, they are high fat and/or highly processed and not good for you. Maybe they would be considered on plan for someone who is of normal weight and not sick, they are definitely not on plan for someone who is diabetic. You can't eat this kind of stuff and expect miracles to happen with your health. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. When I stopped eating treats like these I had sudden improvement in all my numbers. My fasting insulins are now low, my cholesterol dropped to the 130's and I started losing weight. It takes time and persistence.

Please read the posts on Jeff's forum about blood sugars, this information REALLY helped me.

Diabetes
http://drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6321
http://drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10136
http://drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6969
http://drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7671
http://drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8615
http://drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9455

If you've read them before, maybe it would be good to read them again!

Good morning,

Thank you pinkrose. No, I awoke with a dreadful headache. Probably due to the fact that I ate junk yesterday.

Mrs. Doodlepunk,
I only ate junk for the first time in a month yesterday. And I only had a small bag of baked chips. But as to the tofu, I thought we could eat that. I don't have a problem with high sugars with tofu. I only have it with the starches. And it only got worse when I decided to do the mini Mary. Well, maybe that's where I went wrong

You know what? I think I'm the kind of person that needs a written plan. You know, like certain foods, how much and when. I like following instructions. This 'eat until satisified' is how I got to be 100 pds overweight all my life.

Bottom line, I feel like crap this morning, I wanna cry, and I am so discouraged. I'll bet you anything tomorrow, I'll be apologizing all over the place and back on track. God bless you all. I really feel like you are my friends. So please forgive. kc

kcwriter: You would benefit a great deal by reading a book by Dr. Neal Barnard called "Dr. Neal Barnard's Program For Reversing Diabetes." This book is subtitled "The Scientifically Proven System For Reversing Diabetes Without Drugs." Dr. Barnard is a friend of Dr. McDougall's and has beem one of his featured speakers at advanced study weekends. Dr. Barnard supports a low fat vegan diet.
I have read this book and I gave it to a friend of mine who is pre-diabetic. I don't like giving away books about diet and eating without reading them first.
Anyway the good doctor did an experiment with some diabetics. He switched them to a low fat vegan diet. He also told them NOT TO DO anything differently before his experiment. By that he meant that if they were not excersing at all before they joined his experiment, they were not to start exercising at all. In other words--they were to change absolutely nothing about their lifestyle.

Now why did he insist on this? Because he wanted to prove that DIET ALONE REVERSED DIABETES!! And he found that it did. But he also found out some other things. He discovered the relationship between fat cells and how it interfers with insulin's action. He has a whole chapter on this subject which I found fascinating. His book will be a real eye opener for you. BUT HE DID DISCOVER SOMETHING ELSE YOU NEED TO KNOW.

Certain foods have a tendency to raise blood sugar's in diabetics. And one of those foods believe it or not is WHITE POTATO'S. Another food if I remember correctly is pineapple.
This book is excellent reading and comes with recipe's in the back. And I noticed that not one of his recipe's had white potato's in it. For some reason sweet potato's are fine, but not white ones. If you read the book, he will tell you why.
The ONLY THING I didn't agree with was he suggested using fake vegan foods. But when I looked at the copyright date of this book---2007, I understood why. Things like isolated soy protein were not an issue then like they are today. We probably didn't know the dangers of isolated soy protein back then and the fake foods. So fake vegan foods are no longer an option and never should have been anyway. Far too many chemicals!!

You can probably order or get this book at a local bookstore. If not Amazon or half.com do have it. The ISBN number for this book is: 9781594868108. This is the 2007 paperback edition. You can get other editions and it does comes in hardcover.

Dr. Barnard's book should solve the problem you have with your blood sugar. Hopefully you will find the answer you are looking for in his book. I'll be praying and thinking of you!!

kcwriter
I perusal of your posts over the last month or so show a lot of non-plan eating. I would try tightening up the diet for a while and monitor. If you go to your profile and then look at past messages you will see what I am talking about. I think between attitude and compliance you will find the answers you are looking for.
f1jim

Above, you wrote:
"Well, about the fake soy. I am a month into this program and utilize tofu and some fake soy once or so a week. Is it really that bad? I bought some 'better than cream cheese tofutti'. I put it on a bagel and yum!"

There is a big difference between plain tofu and the cream cheese tofutti stuff, tofutti ice cream, and tofu burgers you buy in the store. Plain tofu itself is a rich food and I personally limit it to about once a month, if that. But, like I said, there is a big difference between what you say you're eating and plain tofu. When we have tofu it's the "lite" and it's part of a recipe and I consider that meal a feast meal. Dr. McDougall cautions against using high fat foods If you are overweight or have an illness. You need to follow the guidelines because you are diabetic.

Make a piece of fruit be your ice cream, and eat a bowl of brown rice with cut up apples and cinnamon instead of a bagel with tofutti on it!

The things like fake ice cream and cream cheese made by Tofutti are junk food and very high fat. From this site: http://www.tofutti.com/btcc.shtml I see that the plain cream cheese Tofutti is 85 calories, 45 from fat. That means it's 52 percent fat and is not considered part of Dr. McDougall's program at all. Your total fat intake in a day shouldn't be more than 10 percent of your calories, and there is no way you can eat these foods and stay under the 10 percent.

I recommend you throw away all the high fat stuff with the name Tofutti on it, and eat only whole plant foods like brown rice, sweet potatoes, white potatoes, beans, and green and yellow vegetables and fresh fruit. That's all. Within a month your sugars should be stable.

KC, Mrs. DP and nobody else here can guarantee that this will work for you but given all of your physical problems, don't you think it is worth trying for a month??? What do you have to lose by doing this???

"8Discipline yourselves, keep alert. Like a roaring lion your adversary the devil prowls around, looking for someone to devour. 9Resist him, steadfast in your faith, for you know that your brothers and sisters in all the world are undergoing the same kinds of suffering." (1 Peter 5, NRSV)

Sure, I can't guarantee it will work. But I CAN guarantee that what she's been doing WON'T work!

I know, because I did it for years.

I understand! My point is that nobody here probably has any better advice and the only way we can know if it works is to actually follow it 100% of the way. IMHO it is worth doing it this way for a month before deciding that something else may be better. It is much easier to start with absolutely nothing in your mind about what you should eat and then just follow the advice above than it is to start out by thinking about all of the things you want to include and then try to work them into your diet. Maybe that is what you and many of us did for years!

Yes, Pinkrose, it is what I did for years. I want so much for kcwriter to understand that it takes very simple food and time on this program. The cravings for cream cheese will go away. Life without the treats you THINK you need is so much better!

kcwriter, please read those links that I gave and someone else gave on another thread here. It takes time to get through it all, but you need the information so much.

Simple "whole" foods, long term adherence. Never leave home without food you can eat, like baked sweet potatoes and carrots and apples. Throw away the tofu crap. Let your treats be fruit. Your tastes will change!