f1jim wrote:Morality has no meaning without people. Morality only has meaning when more than one person is around and only when more than one person connects in some way. It's easy to see how people developed morality as a means of surviving with each other. You do not need a supreme being to explain morality or kindness for that matter. These are survival skills sharply honed by interaction with others. I don't take a position on supreme beings and I am open to whatever the reality of life is but it's easy to see how morality can be looked at as something given out or something developed within. Whether there is a god or not, if there is he went through a lot of trouble to make it seem that the universe is quite old and that we were here a very long time. If he did and has his reasons for that I guess in time I will learn why. Till then I am happy watching things unfold.
I am quite happy living in a time where I am not going to be stoned or strung up because I believe that planets revolve around the sun. There were times in mans history where you were not considered worth the dust you walked on if you believed otherwise. Heresy covered a lot of ground and it varied tremendously by the times you were living in. While opinions always varied, what people believed Christianity taught about creation, the universe, slavery, sin, and most everything else has been batted about with one side or another taking the lead during our history. Winners write history and losers are left to the scrap bin of history. This will be true 100 years from now just as it was 100 years ago. How we interact with each other, who and how many we marry can change quickly in a historical sense. I find that it helps to look at most things from a historical viewpoint.
Perhaps this helps us decide what to eat for dinner tonight, perhaps not. This is a set of forums designed to better help people adopt this way of eating. Fighting over religion or lack therof does not. This particular forum is designed to help those that want to link this way of eating to there beliefs. Please do. If you want to fight about whether there is a god or not please don't do it here. There are hundreds of forums that welcome such debate. All we want here is how to get better at McDougaling through any particular religious beliefs you may have. If you don't have any it's probably best to not fight with those that do. It doesn't help anyone get anywhere. This program works whether you believe in a higher power or not. If that belief strengthens your resolve, wonderful. If not believing makes it all better, superb. Fighting makes no one any happier. What's for dinner?
I disagree on some points but as you said, "This is a set of forums designed to better help people adopt this way of eating. Fighting over religion or lack therof does not. This particular forum is designed to help those that want to link this way of eating to there beliefs. Please do. If you want to fight about whether there is a god or not please don't do it here. There are hundreds of forums that welcome such debate. All we want here is how to get better at McDougaling through any particular religious beliefs you may have."
I must comment on Knut in regards to this. "But then... whatever God says goes. So if God had decreed that adultery was permissible, then adultery would be permissible... and so on..."
God could not decree it to be permissible because it goes against His very nature. Why is adultery wrong? Because God is faithful. Why is it wrong to lie? Because God is not a liar. Why is it wrong to steal? Because God is not a theif. (plus He owns everything, right? ) I hope that gives you a better understanding.
Just wanted you to know.