Thanks for the explanation. My point was that If serving size remained the same, then you did reduce total CFF intake in case of low fat, fat free, skim or 1%, 2% milk products even if 10TB mixture seems like a 100% fat.
I am not sure what you are getting at.
However, yes, if you add one little tiny bit of something that is very high in fat, to a total diet that is very low in fat, then the total diet is still very low in percentage of calories from fat and total fat.
And yes, if you have a serving that is pure oil or fat, and you keep the same serving size but dilute out the serving with water, then the the amount of oil/fat goes down. But, that is not a math trick.
However, if you reduce the serving size by adding water, you do not change the percentage of calories from fat. only the total amount of fat in the serving
As I said above, if you take olive oil, which is 100% calories from fat,, it is 100% calories from fat regardless of whether you have a Cup, a Ounce a TB, a Tsp, or 1/10 of a TB. If it is only olive oil, or olive oil and water it is still 100% calories from fat.
If i have 1 TB of oil and the serving size is 1 TB it is 100 calories from fat. If i add 9 TB of water, the total amount of total fat pure serving (TB) is less, but the percentage of calories from fat is still 100%. If I add 1 cup of water, the total amount of total fat is even less, but the percentage of calories from fat is still 100%. Yes, at this point there is very little fat in the TB, but that fat is still 100% calories from fat and the serving is still 100% calories from fat.
Reducing the amount may lower the absolute value but it does not lower the relative value.
And you are missing the point that they are playing a math trick. They are telling you the amount of fat as a percentage of weight which bears no relationship at all to the amount of fat as a percentage of calories.
I mean, I think we all know, if you eat less of something, regardless of whether you do so by diluting it out or just eating less of it, then you eat less of it.
Yes, 1 cup of skim milk has less total fat, then 1 cup of 1% milk, and both have less fat then 1 cup of 2% milk, and all have less fat then 1 cup of whole milk. This is common knowledge.
But that is not the point I am making or trying to help people understand. My point is that 2% milk is 33% fat. 1% milk is 23% fat. Yes, if you eat very little of them you get very little fat but how many people know that 2% milk is 33% fat and 1% milk is 23% fat?
BTW, portion control diets and portion control has never worked amongst humans. So, the concept of just eating less, doesnt work, as it goes against everything humans are hard wired for.
But technically, if you only consumed 16.66 Tbsps in a day (200/12) (i.e. 1TB oil + 9 TB water), you will be at 10% CFF diet. Is this correct or not?
If you consume 16.66 TB of a product that is nothing but diluted oil (1/10th dilution), it is the same thing as consuming 1.16 TB of oil straight. There really is no difference.
And yes, If you consume 2000 calories and the total calories from fat are 200 or less, you are at a 10% fat diet, even if you included the 16.66 TB of diluted oil or the 1.16 TB Of straight oil.
The same thing can be said about almonds. Is there room for almonds in a diet and still be able to keep it at 10%? Of course. And lets say you could fit in "X" almonds. Regardless if you eat them straight, or blend them up and add in 2 cups of water first and then eat them, the end result is the same, you can add in "X" almonds and still be under 10%.
BTW, this is exactly how the created many fat free and low fat products, like salad dressings and soup. By, the dilution didnt work, because people though since it was so diluted, they could eat more of it, and more of it then ate. And in the end, they got in more calories and more calories from fat.
So, with all due respect, what is your point?
Jeff Novick, MS, RD