In regard to fiber content there is little difference, if they are prepared similarly.
In regard to the other issues, I appreciate what you posted and the "press release" but it doesn't address, or answer the issues I raised...
1) Can you show me any actual peer reviewed published data that shows that nutrient content in food today is lower.
2) If I grow apples and take 20 apples from one tree and compare them, I will see nutritional variations, sometimes as much as mentioned in the press release above. Even just from one tree. Many things effect nutritional content including soil, water, moisture, sun exposure, temperature, geography etc. I posted studies in the threads on organic showing this that there was more variation within the groups
then between the groups
, because of the above issues. We will always see difference, what we have to show is that these differences are relevant to our health.
Also, the food we consume today (no matter where you live) comes from many different areas, from many different soils, water, sun exposure, geography, temperature etc. This greatly diminishes the change of any one single nutrient being low.
3) Even if, you could show that some produce has lower values, can you show me any peer reviewed published evidence that the main reason people are obese and or sick and dying today from the major causes of death (CVD, HTN, DB, Cancers, etc) is due to lower quality food that we grow? Can you show me the evidence of the deficiency diseases that Americans are suffering from today? I can show you study
showing the main problem is not eating enough fresh produce, regardless if it grown conventionally or not.
(NOTE: Remember, the data on the long lived Okinawans showed their diets were low in certain nutrients and they did show signs and symptoms of these lower levels, but they were still the longest lived healthiest people. People are dying of nutritional excess not deficiencies.)
4) Why is it when we take people who are suffering from the above known killers (CVD, HTN, DB, Cancers, etc) and put them on a plant based diet today, without juicing, blending or supplementing, we can not only stop the progression of these diseases but in many cases actually reverse and keep them that way for 3, 5, 20, 25 years as evidenced by published data? How is this possible if the food is so nutrient depleted?
4) Can you post any peer reviewed published evidence comparing someone on a Mcdougall (or Fuhrman) type diet to someone on the exact same diet but uses blended foods to increase absorption, and does better?
5) I have posted many dietary analysis here, as have many others, all using the current
USDA SR 20 database which is based on current
analysis of current
produce. Using current
analysis of current
foods, we easily surpass every single known nutrient by 200-500% on average
, including the few mentioned in the above press release. So, even if the food does have some lower values, it is not lower enough to compromise what we need.
6) So far, most all trials on supplementing current diets to with additional Vit and/or minerals to improve health outcomes, have failed to show improved outcomes, and many, have shown harm. This includes Vit C, Vit E, Vit A, Beta Carotene, etc
The only exception is folate in women of child bearing ages whose diets are deficient on folate (which is from not eating enough greens and beans, not from deficient greens and beans).
The only other nutrient that is truly of a concern in the USA of being low right now is Vitamin D, which comes from the Sun, not food.
It is a great theory but has no real evidence to support it and may actually lead us down a path that has us engaging in and focusing on behaviors that are just not necessary or proven to be of benefit.
Most of the time, if we follow this theory, we end up taking lots of unnecessary and potential harmful supplements and/or spending lots of time and money on and using expensive and unnecessary juicers, blenders, sprouters etc etc. The potential problem with this is that it may take out attention and focus of off known beneficial behaviors.
I have no problem if anyone wants to engage in such behaviors (juicing, blending, sprouting, etc). I just do not know of any convincing evidence that it is necessary, let alone helpful.
xetaprime wrote:JI'm very excited about what I've learned from Dr. McDougall. I'm also very excited about what we/I don't know- yet.
I agree. But shouldn't we focus most of our attention on applying and implementing what we already know works? The problem I see, is most people put all their "apples" in the one basket of applying unproven theories based on misinformation (most of it is advertising and marketing cleverly disguised as health information) and put little energy into doing what we know really works.