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 Post subject: Re: Newbie Barefoot Vegan Endurance Runner
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:30 am 
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Hey Sharon, the main thing is that you are out and moving regularly, with pleasure.

Just keep an open mind and consider reading thru "Born To Run". There's an interesting and valid observation from one of the top trainers, Eric Orton, where he notes that most people don't have a clue what they are doing. IMO, that goes for many trainers/coaches as well. They are doing what they were taught by people who don't necessarily know what they should be doing. Same goes for diet, top "experts", govt. officials, medical pros are still recommending meat and dairy. People are sheeplike in general and slow to change. When they finally do change, they tend to like to make it look as though it was their own idea. LOL

I've looked to the more senior experts with decades of experience proving their ideas. For example, Ruth Heidrich convinced me in just a few emails to be 100% vegan and Danny Dreyer taught me to love running pain free by reading and rereading his book "Chi Running" and following his website as well as from seeing his run clinic at the USAF Marathon expo. Both Danny and Ruth are over 65 with decades of expertise. When you take their info and combine it with stuff from "Born To Run", "Healthy At 100" by John Robbins, "The China Study" by Dr Campbell, etc ... many assumptions can be completely flipped after decades of following the herd.

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 Post subject: Re: Newbie Barefoot Vegan Endurance Runner
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:56 pm 
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Both books have been on my list -- stopped by the bookstore tonight and picked them up -- can't wait to read them!


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie Barefoot Vegan Endurance Runner
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:59 am 
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Great... I hope you enjoy those books half as much as I did!

I'm watching the Ruth Heidrich talk from here in Dayton OH this morning, finally. I haven't gotten to the part where she had me put my feet/huaraches up for the audience.

Link to the video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXdGc3a924M

She gives Dr McDougall credit for saving her life!

Currently, I'm resting, tapering and trying to be ready to for a very challenging 50 mile trail race this coming Saturday, a first attempt at that distance...so watching Ruth again is just the inspiration I need! I don't care how long it takes, I want my name on the finishers list and to get that "dog tag" finisher necklace. The "Dawg Gone Long 50 Miler" at Caesar's Creek Lake...pretty sure I'll be the only baretoed runner.

Back in Dec. 2010, after doing a first half iron distance triathlon, a marathon and implementing diet improvements ... my doctor put me back on cholesterol lowering medication. So, I reread the part of Born To Run involving Ruth Heidrich and decided to contact her via email. In about a week and after just a few emails from Ruth, I went cold turkey 100% vegan. This was the single best step towards better health EVER, after many good baby steps since having cancer about 8 years ago.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:22 pm 
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inspiring story. Ruth is also inspiring. She does love to run. I know it amazes me when I see her how good she looks.

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 Post subject: Re: Newbie Barefoot Vegan Endurance Runner
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:07 pm 
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Ruth is one of a kind, in great ways.

How many ladies would INSIST on taking local anesthetic only to have a golf ball sized tumor removed from her chest? How many would sneak out of the hospital at 4AM for one last run just hours before a double mastectomy...because otherwise it might be at least 2 or 4 days until she could run again!!

Ruth gave us some of her baseball cards. My 3 daughters are not in a rush to be on a vegan diet, so I gave them a card and noted that diet/exercise were the difference between Ruth and some other age 77 ladies they know! Enough said!

When Ruth says "take control of your own health", she means it and serves as such a great role model for treating oneself with the utmost respect. In 1982, who would have had the guts to say no to chemo/radiation etc while staring at stage 4 cancer ... only to eat plants instead!!


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie Barefoot Vegan Endurance Runner
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:17 pm 
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I just finished Born to Run - what a great read. I will start Chi Running tonight. I will be interested to see if I can make it work for me - I want to believe, but we shall see!

I have always hated wearing shoes and socks, so I figure that may give me a "leg" up on this since I have always gone barefoot as much as I can. I have been walking 5 or so miles a day most days in my Invisible Shoes, so I think I am ready to try running in them. We will see how my biking legs react! : )


Sharon


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie Barefoot Vegan Endurance Runner
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:47 pm 
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GREAT. Danny Dreyer just sent out an email...he's in the New York Times...

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/2 ... -injuries/

Great stuff and him and his wife deserve the positive editorial coverage.

Just be aware that Born To Run got me so inspired...I went out and hurt myself by running too far too soon in lighter footwear....then I got Chi Running and learned how to do things right!

Randy


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie Barefoot Vegan Endurance Runner
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:18 pm 
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On the topic of transitioning to barefoot/minimalist. I sent an email reply to a friend that's more detailed, so thought I'd share it here too:

There are lots of things you can/should do imo ...

* Standing barefoot on a Bosu ball is great...1 leg or 2 legs at a time, doing any number of exercises...I've watched tv, read books, done paperwork etc. I leg at at time drills without the ball are great too.

* Be barefoot as often as possible inside to learn how to always be alert about what your feet are doing...and what they are not crashing into...

* I do the Chi Loosening drills and Chi Post Run stretches barefoot nearly always. Virtually every morning, generally first thing, I do the loosening drills from pg. 99+ from Chi Running. I've found post run stretches seem to keep me from getting injuries and leg cramps.

* Pete Egoscue"s daily maintenance program of "e-cises" is excellent from his book "Pain Free" ... I try to do them daily, but minimally 3 or 4 times per week. These help establish/maintain proper muscle balance. I use the foot stretches as well from the pain recovery ecises, in addition to the foot ecises.

* Roll your feet on top of a golf ball...the more often, the better. Side to side, front to back, etc. Dig deep into the Plantar muscles...ideally first thing in the morning to "tune up" the feet and allegedly help the fascia up into the upper legs etc.

* Run gently barefoot on a smooth hard surface, while trying to perfect light, smooth, easy natural running technique... 90 foot contacts per minute per foot cadence...same cadence on any grade. Briefly run backwards, then freeze...genearally it's near impossible to run with lame form backwards, so memorize that posture, lean forward slightly from the ankles and carry that posture forward.

* Get "The Bob" Calfmaster, use it daily, barefoot. Each direction you can do three different angles. Strengthen feet and ankles.

* I believe tension in the low back and on down into the hamstrings etc will affect the plantar muscles. Keep them all as healthy as possible.

* When using a treadmill, wear thin socks only, and run into an incline of varying steepness.

* I have Merrell Leather trail gloves...but I wear them to church etc...haven't run in them yet. 99% of my miles this year have been barefoot or in huaraches.

* Shop New Balance, zero drop/intermediate distance xc flats in one size WIDER than you think you need and a good half inch longer than your foot.
(My wife) has two new pair...the Minimus Zero drop ladies 2E and a Men's 8.5 (1.5 size smaller than Ladies) NB 700.

* By far the best "barefoot" for me has been the huaraches. So low cost it's not worth making your own. I know I'll save hundreds or thousands of dollars using these longer term, but you have to invest some time into customizing them, breaking yourself into them and figuring how you prefer lacing/tie methods. Get some "running" sandals!

http://www.InvisibleShoe.com/go/Randy_Kreill

I've been suggesting people get two pair (4MM kit and 6MM kit) and extra laces are good idea. Meg's wearing hers more and more...I'm wearing mine more and more as well. I initially didn't like running in the 6MM, but now I've punched dozens of holes into my 6MM's to make them even lighter and found a tie method that works better for walking or running. I've done a marathon, (2) 32 milers, and 2 training outings of of 50K+, all in the 4MM sandals this year.

* Huraches best simulate barefoot...I've tried about everything. Best to have the foot unwrapped imo. The outsole floats underfoot. Also, the design prompts the runner to turn feet over quicker and pick up properly every step. When Meg, my wife, ran about half the last 50K with me, she tripped and fell hard, while she was worried about me busting a toe. With practice I've noticed my feet automatically dance around obstacle while my eyes are focused a few feet ahead of the feet...but, with proper pick up, even if I step in a less desirable spot, with a shorter stride, I've got control of my stride and automatically pick up and away from the problem, rather than tumbling over something. The outsole near the smaller toes will roll underfoot when the user gets lazy and shuffles the feet. Knock on wood...I've seen so many people fall on trail race course, but I've not, yet. This same concept has to be the reason I ran the John Bryan Tie Dye 32 miler in huaraches and felt the best ever at that distance...no lazy posture/form....that was in spite of having a fever break that same night and having our kids get "strep" right afterward.

* Transition slowly. I use Burt's Bees hand salve on my feet, and coconut foot oil, etc. For longer runs, I'll apply and reapply these products to keep toes and the ball of the foot from rubbing too much on the "outsole".

* Find a safe place to run barefoot in mostly grass. I use the local soccer complex...roughly a mile around. This is barefoot running's equivalent to eating desert.

* While relaxed at home, watching tv or whatever, get into a habit of massaging your feet. You'll learn to find soreness you might not notice otherwise. You learn to know when to push harder and when to back off based on hotspots you find in the feet and ankles. During transition, top of the foot pain is common over the metatarsels...I got past that late this past Winter. Also, a blister/hard spot may develop under the 2nd largest toe area...pretty normal I think. It seems like my arches have improved, while the top part of the foot near the ankle has thickened. Older shoes feel tighter now. Of course, in huaraches you don't have to worry about muscles bulking up in the feet, or late run/late day swelling either. Huaraches are super cheap and solve many issues, it's just not something you are likely to master overnight. I think most people mindlessly wear shoes, thinking they have it right, yet they run a marathon and get blisters, foot pain, lose toe nails or worse...so the time invested in huaraches is well invested, not just financially in shoe costs. The might even save a hip or knee replacement long long term!

Hope that helps...I'll probably think of more later,

Randy


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie Barefoot Vegan Endurance Runner
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:02 pm 
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Thanks for posting this! I have just started the book and I am intrigued. I was lucky enough to study tai chi for about a year from someone who grew up in Indonesia and learned tai chi as the martial art it is.... so a lot of what I have read so far really resonates with me and makes so much sense. Why didn't I think of this before??? PLUS, I see that there is a certified instructor not far from me. I may see about attending one of her workshops. This is so exciting!! Of course, I have some serious bike riding to do in the next couple of months ... but, I think the two sports should be complimentary ones.

Sharon


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie Barefoot Vegan Endurance Runner
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:10 pm 
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Sharon, swimming is great too...so consider triathlons as a long term goal. I find that on any given day, assuming I'm rested enough for a workout, I'm in the mood for either biking, running or swimming.

Chi Running can completely and quickly change your view on running from "I'm not a runner" or "I hate running" to running being your favorite thing to do. Having read Born To Run first, you'll get why that is, although it can be difficult to explain to people who haven't figured it out ... the majority.

"Total Immersion" swim training videos are the closest thing to "Chi Swimming". I've learned to be efficient enough at the breast stroke to go 2 hours non stop.

So glad to hear you are learning and enjoying...

Randy


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie Barefoot Vegan Endurance Runner
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:40 pm 
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I have been there done that with doing the triathlons and I love swimming - but, I blew out my shoulder and have the scars from surgery to prove it. I can swim about once a week without too much pain these days, but my tri days are over. I worked with a great swim coach to really learn good form. Love the Total Immersion stuff.

I also worked with a running coach who was able to get me to where I could run a 5k, but it was painful and no fun at all. I guess I always thought everyone got terrible shin splints after the first 100 yards, it just that they were tougher than I was and just ran through the pain.

Plus, I figured out that I was more interested in proving to myself that I could do the triathlon than I was in actually doing the triathlon with the mobs. I tell people that the swim portion of the triathlon is like swimming with 100 people in your lane! : ) But, I am happy to say I did it!

Now I ride a recumbent bike because my post-surgery shoulder won't handle me riding my diamond frame bike and I have re-learned the joy of biking instead of "training" -- kind of the chi biking method. I still pull out my road bike from time to time and race down the streets until my shoulder hurts (takes about 10 minutes!) .. but, it is fun. And, I must say it is fun to see some of the folks all lycra'ed out on road bikes who look at me with some scorn -- but, I always smile and wave as I blow past them!! : ) Who said recumbent bikes were slow?? I still do a lot of distant bike riding, because it truly makes me happy!


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie Barefoot Vegan Endurance Runner
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:28 pm 
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Quick update on the vegan barefoot running...I've made it as far as 50+ miles training in huaraches. Oct. 14th I sort of ran from Dayton, OH to Cincy OH... and put a video together about that day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tntVqI_7 ... ture=g-upl

And, a purist barefoot "expert" interview more recently:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN3rbhXk ... ture=g-upl

More recently, on Nov. 3, I attempted a tough hilly horse trail 50 mile event, the OPSF Ultra 50-50. Of 29 50 miler hopefulls, only ten finished. Several dropped to the 50K, myself included, many others dropped altogether due to rain, cold, wind and even snow/hail. I ran it "barefoot" in huaraches...sort of nuts, but again, only my foot/sandal made the photos... http://www.opsfultramarathon.com/Results.html

Hoping to make it even further next year! Dec. 10th or so marks two years on 100% plant powered nutrition.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie Barefoot Vegan Endurance Runner
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:41 pm 
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Hoping to make it even further next year! Dec. 10th or so marks two years on 100% plant powered nutrition.

Go you! I can't imagine running 50 miles under any conditions. I hope to attempt a 50K someday though, assuming I survive my first marathon next June...

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 Post subject: Re: Newbie Barefoot Vegan Endurance Runner
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Good luck with the marathon...that first one is a big deal, very memorable. You'll likely want to get several marathons in before thinking about a 50k, which tend to be on hilly trails as well...while easier on the body in some ways perhaps, the softer surface creates more effort required to cover the distance.


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