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Ok so for the past 10-12 days I have been consuming between 1650-over 3000... Now I know this is wrong, right? DO you all practice calorie restriction?? Does Dr. Mcdougall?? I know Jeff Novik does... I am coming from 811 raw fruits, and I did eat a lot of cals with that too... So Anyone here ( girls ) eat a lot too?? Is this wrong? I love with DurianRider says to eat and not restrict, but I am assuming you guys don't agree with this?? I'm gonna balloon up soon right!?! lol Maybe this is just a faze, and will pass? Anyone eat a ton, then not feel as hungry, or is this gonna continue and increase?

Yesterday I ate:
3 large apples
5 cups of veggie soup (cabbage, cauliflower, carrots, zucchini, celery)
2 cups of crushed tomatoes
6 medium raw carrots {4 cups spaghetti squash the day before}
900g of frozen corn!!!
romaine head, with cucumber, tomato, cilantro, lemon, and acv
and 4 corn tortillas cut and baked
11 potaotoes {russet, reds, and 'salt' potatoes w/out the salt}
1 large sweet potato
{All spread out through out the day of course }

Sooo what is wrong with me??? Even if I eat more soup, salad or raw carrots, I stilll 'feel' hungry, like I am not satistifed. I am actually salivating for more food! lol Even feel fatigued if I don't eat...
I having been doing some form of exercise everyday, only for a half hour though... jog, fast walk, biking, kayaking....

Read the first response Jeff has in this link.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=22432

basicaly what is going on is you are eating too many low caloric dense foods. when you do that your stomach may be filled for the moment but you are not satiated. You will be hungry shortly so you will eat more and more. Make starch your main dish. 5 cups of soup all VERY LOW caloric dense foods will make you crave food. see if what Jeff says makes sense.
Cheers

No. Not counting calories is the primary attractiveness of this way of eating as far as I'm concerned. Putting all of my daily foods into the CRON-o-Meter would be torture for me. Maybe once in awhile out of curiosity, but definitely not on a regular basis.

11 potatoes and 1 large sweet potato is not enough starch? That would last me several days!!! Maybe you are hyperthyroid? Have you been like this a long time?

Actually, compared to us, animals in nature do restrict calories. They do not have unlimited, 24 hour/day access to calorie dense foods. They eat what they can when they can and mostly it comes out to "enough". Calories beyond what are really needed by your body will, within limits, not add fat but will rev your metabolism and be burned as heat. I am not telling you or asking you or suggesting that you restrict your calorie intake. Only reminding that all the research done, on every animal model tried so far, shows greatly increased life span, less disease, and reduced aging with properly done calorie restriction. And that is without reduction in activity or sluggishness. It is also true that there is often a brief period of adaptation while metabolism figures out how to "downshift". During that time period, if someone has been consistently overeating, they will likely feel tired and low energy.

A couple years ago I was eating somewhere around 2300-2500 calories/day. For the past couple years I have been around 1400-1500 and have even more energy, more endurance, and better body composition i.e. less fat, more muscle.

Thanks Adam and funcrunch! I like what Jeff had to say. I keep trying to stop myself from inputting my food on cron~o~meter, but every night I feel like, omg I ate too much, lets see the damage I did!
Oh and I wish I had a 'speedy' thyroid, but I'm sure I don't, otherwise I'd be thin, right? I just eat weird. Some days I eat a TON.. and then some days go by where I get super busy and eat less... Or in the past it was always feast or famine.. I would massively restrict, and then binge, scaring my family by how much I would eat... I have never been anorexic or bulimic.. Never ever looked skinny. I guess I like food too much? I remember in the past, lying in bed every night saying that's it no more food ever! lol I don't have much will~power honestly plus I'm wimpy, lazy, and give in too easily...That' why I still gots this tummy!!
Oh and sorry Phoenix for taking over your other discussion..I will stop changing the subject on that one
But thanks ya'all for listening and responding to my craziness!

If you really think you're eating too much (although from what you said about your height, weight, and clothing size I doubt you are in any danger), I recommend rather than counting calories that you read McDougall's article on volume eating. Slow down and let your food register before having more helpings if you're not already doing that.

From experimenting and researching this, I can tell you that, for the most part, Durianrider is wrong. This idea of "never calorie restrict" is NOT the way the Mcdougall plan works. With the McD we don't count calories BUT we aim for foods that keep us full on low calories, so in the end, it does end up being calorie restriction but starvation free calorie restriction which is very, very different from all the portion control crap out there where you are starving all day long.

I tried to follow dr's advice a few months back with doing McD without calorie restriction and I got very mediocre results with weight loss. I probably would not have lost any weight had I totally eaten unlimited carbs but I consumed around 2,900 calories a day (I'm a 5'8'' male) so, to a small degree I did actually pull back a little. Well, I was not too happy with the weight drop.

So I re-examined everything and followed McD much closer and started to favor veggies more and aim to get full on foods with low caloric density and dropped my calories to 1,250-1,650 and my results were far, far better. I was consistently dropping weight with minimal exercise (20 mins a day cardio). So, yes, calorie restriction is a vital part of weight loss. People may dress it up in a cute way "eat unlimited", "never be hungry" "eat more weight less" but all these things end up employing calorie restriction. When you come across successful weight loss stories it usually ends up:

Men under 6 ft eat under 2,000 calories
Women under 5' 10 eat under 1,700 calories

And, those figures are on the high end, it should be a little lower.

I've been reading a lot of stuff about very disgruntled people (30banansadaysucks.com)doing dr's version of 811 (unlimited carbs) and they swear they did it right and they gained tons of weight. Even Doug Graham teaches to put a cap on calories, he does NOT endorse unlimited calories, that is dr's concoction.

When they gain weight, dr says "its the body fixing it self, give it some years and you will eventually lean out>"...what???? years??? You would not hear that from McDougall, or Neal Barnard or Jeff Novick or Joel Fuhrman. You should be seeing weight loss taking place quite consistently within the first 60 days. If not, you are doing something wrong. That's just how it works out.

So, yes, take control of your calories but do not starve. Get full on low calorie foods that fill you up and when you reach your goal weight, you can then probably eat a higher calorie version of high carb/low fat and stay lean.

Of course there are a few exceptions of people eating unlimited carbs to get lean but its very, very rare.

Even on high carb/low fat, calories do matter (you just don't need to really count them if you get full on the right foods).

Yes, I totally agree. This is right on the money.

I've looked into most of the high carb gurus and the calories are always low, even though they tout "never count calories" They are being honest, but, it is a low calorie diet, but a healthy filling one.

For example:

-Pritikin diet ends up being under 1,600 calories at the center and in his book, he even teaches an 800 calorie version
-Joel Fuhrman says in this book that it IS a low calorie diet (1,400-1600 for most)
-Most women on this forum that lose weight say they are eating under 1,700 calories
-The Kempner rice diet aims to have you on 1200 calories
-I've heard Ornish say you need to take in low enough calories so you can see a drop in weight.

That's just a few examples. Yeah, even on high carb/low fat, you dont' want to just eat unlimited starches. Eventually, you find a menu that works for you and you don't need to count calories but its a low calorie menu nevertheless.

It's easy to understand. Eat more nutrient dense foods(they have low calorie density) and you will lose weight and feel more satisfied because of nutrients. If you want to gain, eat more calorie dense foods.
Everybody will gain weight on too much calories. And we can't compare raw to cooked, because with cooked we absorb more calories and nutrients, so we need more calories on raw.

You also have to consider your level of activity. Durian Rider is very active and athletic and burns all those calories. If you are that active you will require more calories to burn off from extra activity.

But also because raw has all that water, so you would need to eat more - with cooked, you are cooking most of the water out so you are eating more calorie dense food and don't need as much volume.

Restricting calorie-dense foods is good and totally what the McDougall way of eating is all about. It's counting calories that I'm against. If you're already eating primarily foods low in calorie density to your satisfaction then there's really no need for it, and it looks like faithslanding is eating these foods exclusively, so the calorie counting just seems obsessive to me.

I am male, 62 years old, 5'3", currently 113 pounds. I work out hard, 3 or 4 days a week, bodyweight stuff and kettlebells and have gained considerable muscle and conditioning over the past couple years.

Phoenix - you would have to ask the man himself how many calories he burns - I don't keep tabs on Durian Rider's *exact* activity and calorie consumption, but I am aware that he runs and cycles, he also doesn't own a car to my knowledge so he bikes to where he needs to go. He isn't jumping in the car to get to the store like the majority. So yes he likely burns a lot more calories than the average person who does more sitting and driving.