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flroots · **Joined:** Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:48 am **Posts:** 126

serenity wrote:

Thanks for the quote from the Healthy Heart book. However, keep in mind that "permissable" in terms of heart health is not the same as recommended by the doctor or as being good for other aspects of health. And based on all that Dr. McDougall has written over several decades, I doubt he would suggest that daily drinking (and by a female whose risks are higher as noted above) is OK.

Dr. McDougall does not shy away from sharing the scientific results that may provide a positive light on a behavior such as alcohol consumption. Sometimes his willingness to share that information is interpreted as approval. However, his recommendations weigh all the evidence and are not based on only one aspect of health. Here is his website article on alcohol consumption:
http://www.drmcdougall.com/alcohol.html

It says in part:

Quote:

The benefits for the reduction of heart disease with the moderate use of alcohol revealed by scientific research have caused some doctors to advocate temperate drinking. But, the overall effects on health are negative, especially for people who fall within the 10 percent of the population who are problem drinkers.
<snip>
Although moderate use of alcohol reduces risks of heart disease, it dramatically increases the risks of dying from other causes, such as cirrhosis, loss of the liver, cancer, violence, and accidents.

Thanks. I've read that and there is a lot of information to absorb. While we appreciate all the advice, we all make our own choices and we have decided to consume red wine in accordance with Dr McDougall's recommendation. I guess we'd still be interested in other ways to reduce cholesterol that don't include a statin or wine

soliver · **Joined:** Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:27 am **Posts:** 912

flroots wrote:

I guess we'd still be interested in other ways to reduce cholesterol that don't include a statin or wine

Perhaps look at increasing physical activity or fiber in the diet.

flroots · **Joined:** Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:48 am **Posts:** 126

soliver wrote:

flroots wrote:

I guess we'd still be interested in other ways to reduce cholesterol that don't include a statin or wine

Perhaps look at increasing physical activity or fiber in the diet.

Thanks. Good point, we both could use more exercise especially since our skin tone has suffered from loss of weight.
Pete

flroots · **Joined:** Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:48 am **Posts:** 126

soliver wrote:

flroots wrote:

I guess we'd still be interested in other ways to reduce cholesterol that don't include a statin or wine

Perhaps look at increasing physical activity or fiber in the diet.

We joined a fitness center just over a month ago and have consequently increased our level of exercise substantially. We're averaging over an hour/day of racquetball and weight training. Just had wife's cholesterol taken and it's now 149. She finally made it

Since neither our diet nor wine consumption changed during this period, we've concluded that the exercise made the difference. Both our appetites have increased and I'm sleeping longer. All in all, it seems to have made a very beneficial difference. Comments?
Pete

Wild4Stars · **Posted:** Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:03 am

flroots wrote:

We do have 2-3 glasses of red wine/day; could that be a factor? Any ideas?
Pete

2-3 glasses a day, everyday does seem like a good bit of wine. Cholesterol is not the only issue here. I have LONG defended my red wine consumption but more and more evidence shows that the negative out weighs the positive. While I can relate to not wanting to give it up totally, I think there is strong evidence to reduce it to 1 glass a few days a week, as opposed to 2-3 glasses everyday. And as we get older (I'm 60) I think there comes a time to save it for special occasions only. See this new report:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18856658

My mission is for healthy aging. Dementia doesn't fit into that plan. I encourage you to rethink your wine consumption for your TOTAL health. Would be interesting to send your original post as an email to Dr. McDougall and see what his response would be.

Might also be worth your while to research the new discoveries on the wine / breast cancer connection.

soliver · **Joined:** Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:27 am **Posts:** 912

flroots wrote:

soliver wrote:

flroots wrote:

I guess we'd still be interested in other ways to reduce cholesterol that don't include a statin or wine

Perhaps look at increasing physical activity or fiber in the diet.

We joined a fitness center just over a month ago and have consequently increased our level of exercise substantially. We're averaging over an hour/day of racquetball and weight training. Just had wife's cholesterol taken and it's now 149. She finally made it

Since neither our diet nor wine consumption changed during this period, we've concluded that the exercise made the difference. Both our appetites have increased and I'm sleeping longer. All in all, it seems to have made a very beneficial difference. Comments?
Pete

Well I'm over the moon about this! So happy for you Pete!

I believe the activity works in the same way it does for diabetes - the increased blood flow gets the cholesterol bile moving out more quickly, and it shows in your blood test.

flroots · **Joined:** Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:48 am **Posts:** 126

soliver wrote:

flroots wrote:

soliver wrote:

Perhaps look at increasing physical activity or fiber in the diet.

We joined a fitness center just over a month ago and have consequently increased our level of exercise substantially. We're averaging over an hour/day of racquetball and weight training. Just had wife's cholesterol taken and it's now 149. She finally made it

Since neither our diet nor wine consumption changed during this period, we've concluded that the exercise made the difference. Both our appetites have increased and I'm sleeping longer. All in all, it seems to have made a very beneficial difference. Comments?
Pete

Well I'm over the moon about this! So happy for you Pete!

I believe the activity works in the same way it does for diabetes - the increased blood flow gets the cholesterol bile moving out more quickly, and it shows in your blood test.

Thanks
Pete

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